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En suite bath with shower
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En suite bathroom with shower
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En suite bathroom with shower only
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Just saw this wording on another forum: "each bedroom has ensuite wc/shower or wc/bath"

(forum serves vacation rental owners, primarily UK and Europe)

But my point is, why do you have to say ensuite bathroom, as that seems to be redundant, why not just ensuite (by itself)?

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Just saw this wording on another forum: "each bedroom has ensuite wc/shower or wc/bath"

(forum serves vacation rental owners, primarily UK and Europe)

But my point is, why do you have to say ensuite bathroom, as that seems to be redundant, why not just ensuite (by itself)?

Because I'm dealing with people from here and there. Adding the bathroom part cuts down on the calls asking what en suite means. I may just go with PT's 'attached/detached' and forget the Euros. I can be completely redundant and say 'ensuite attached 3/4 bathroom' and hopefully hit everyone! The grammarians will then not book.

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Now I understand 3/4 bathroom as you say (toilette, sink, shower only) or (toilette, sink bathtub only)

You could really throw them for a loop and use some old English and say the ensuite comes with a Water Closet and Shower.

Water Closet traditionally is a toilette and sometimes a sink LOL

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Heres a link to a video I did for a room that consistently gave me grief until I did a video. Two adjoining bedrooms with one bedroom at the end of the three room combo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLEMiH3Xfs4&feature=player_embedded

and for those guest that are beyond invasive into my space or have a 1001 questions I steer them to my Pinterest where I address most everything they seem to ask.http://pinterest.com/thorntonhouse/

We truly give up our right to privacy when doing a B&B however I throw it out there for them. Its far better to let them spend endless hours pouring over what I placed out there for them such as my private areas. Than answering all those endless questions. Putting my private quarters out there probably was one of the best things I ever did. Best of all I have not found any strangers on my floor since I have done it. You would not believe how many thank you comments I have received from past guest for opening up that one area of the home for them to see online. Humans are very nosey creatures!!!

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Putting my private quarters out there probably was one of the best things I ever did. Best of all I have not found any strangers on my floor since I have done it. You would not believe how many thank you comments I have received from past guest for opening up that one area of the home for them to see online. Humans are very nosey creatures!!!
 

There is no way on GOD's green Earth I am posting pictures of my private space anywhere. So far, no one has ever invaded my private area other then the old man who followed DH into his workshop when he was meant to just wait in the dining room for DH to get something to show him.

I live in 2 rooms - and the "living room" (what a joke) has evolved into DH's art studio. Which means ALL our stuff is crammed into one room. I keep the B & B side of the house for the guests - how I live is my business. I am willing to live this way because his paintings sell - for pretty figures. Guests pay for a room and a breakfast - they do not pay to explore my life or my quarters. It would cost them a heck of a lot more to do that.

VERY few people have ever been invited in to what one "adopted son" calls the "Bat Cave"  - and he was coming here for holidays and visits for several years before that invitation was extended.

 

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I would need very closely cropped photos to put any of my space out for guests to see. Yikes!

I posted one photo when I painted my kitchen. That was tough enough!

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En suite bathroom with shower to me states its a four piece bathroom ( tub/shower combo , toilette, single sink)

En suite bath with shower (separate bath tub, separate shower stall, toilette, single sink)

I try to avoid the word because most Americans would be clueless. When I have a bedroom and I have one with a roman tub only I stress there is no free standing shower stall and it is a roman tub and they still don't get it. Less is more as they say when dealing with the public in descriptions such as tub only, shower only or hopefully do a video. The videos have made my life so much easier.

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So, 'bathroom' means room with a bathtub? That's where the problems arise. If the converse were true, I could state 'shower room' but that doesn't work.

Here 'bathroom' is the only room in the house with a toilet. 1/2 bath is a toilet and a sink. AHA, there's my answer... 3/4 bath. THAT means toilet, sink and shower, no tub. FULL bathroom means with a tub.

OK, let me work on that for a bit.

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this is why i think pictures are invaluable - trouble is my (ensuite shower rooms) are small due to being in a converted Victorian house and so don't photograph well - you can only get one bit at a time.

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Americans say "I need to go to the bathroom" when they mean toilet.

We use the term as the room itself, not a tub or shower or toilet. In most of America the toilet is in the same room as the bath. I WISH IT WEREN'T!  Give me a WC any day.

Maybe we need to go to the ol' service station mentality and say "Restroom with tub" or "Restroom with shower" and then hand them the key on the end of a big oil can.  cool

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How should I describe our outhouse?   surprise  le toilette puant extérieur?    Sounds fancy doesn't it?

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Ensuite bathroom with shower is what you have.....if they have questions let them contact you.

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Silverspoon wrote:

Ensuite bathroom with shower is what you have.....if they have questions let them contact you.

Oh if they only would! We went around for 15 minutes about how they thought that meant a bathtub with a separate shower. And they really wanted to take a bath. So, I offered to switch rooms. They still complained that the description wasn't clear. (to them)

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Madeline wrote:

It's 'bathroom'. Or 'bath'. Euros (and we get a lot of them) think it means 'bathtub'.

The Swedish word for bathroom is "toalett". After his first day at our local school our Swedish exchange student came home telling about how everybody laughed at him when he asked the teacher if he could go to the toilet. And he couldn't understand why we have to beat around the bush by calling it a "rest room".

But I've got another one. It seems the British call an eraser a rubber, and the Swedes are taught British English in school. OK, you can imagine where this is going. A couple of days after the toilet incident, he turned to the kid across the aisle from him in class and said, "May I borrow your rubber?" Seeing the American student's mouth drop open in disbelief at the question, Thobias added, "Don't worry. I'll give it back to you when I'm done with it."

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As long as I have SOME place to go pee and SOME place to shower, I'm ok. But that's just me....I don't mind if it's down the hall or outside, or if I have to share.  Have done all of that before and am ok with it. I'm usually prepared...but do want the place to provide TP and towels.  But most people want their own bathroom inside their own room.

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How about using English to express yourself instead of trying to use a foreign phrase that may or may not be understood.    

"adjoining private bathroom"

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see that to me as "a euro" would say it was a bathroom outside the room.

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It's actually not the adjoining part that I'm having trouble with. It's 'bathroom'. Or 'bath'. Euros (and we get a lot of them) think it means 'bathtub'.

Personally, I think they should understand the terms, just like I should have to understand the terms when I go there. But, I try to help where I can.

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Ensuite bathroom with shower (no tub).

Seems to me the proliferation of house-buying shows on the home channel have made the use of ensuite more widely understood, even in areas where it used to be an unknown.

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It's redundant, but how about:

Ensuite (in your room) bathroom with shower

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En suite bathroom with shower - but also if there is anything that can jazz up that description like "large, tiled shower" or "rain head shower".  You get the idea.  "Only" does sound negative to me too.  A lot of folks don't care if there's no tub, but sell what you've got!

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Samster, woe is me. My bathrooms are the size of some showers I've seen. We are talking bare bones here. In some cases you can practically brush your teeth over the sink while in the shower. While it is not posh for the guests it does make for easier cleaning for us.

However, we did just have 2 wonderful comments about the showers today. 'Hot!' and 'I didn't want to get out it was so good!' Good to hear that from guests who have been coming for many years. We've been thru multiple shower heads trying to find something that really provides a blast of water. And now the new furnace really seems to be pumping out the hot water generously and continuously.

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Yeah, I hear that, but you have folks that are always talking about how immaculate your place is.  There's got to be a way to spin that!  smiley

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I just believe in making things really clear - ie ensuite shower room to me says only shower as opposed to with a bath as well. To me saying bathroom means bath.

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camberleyhotelharrogate@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

I just believe in making things really clear - ie ensuite shower room to me says only shower as opposed to with a bath as well. To me saying bathroom means bath.

Bingo! The guests with the problem are from your neck of the woods. Well, north, across the border. The problem is, the majority of my guests are from here and wouldn't know what en suite shower room meant. They would think it was a separate room with JUST a shower!

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How about Ensuite Bathroom (No tub)

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gillumhouse wrote:

How about Ensuite Bathroom (No tub)

That will lead to thinking there are no showering facilities at all. Or that the shower is down the hall. It's not a problem with US guests, it's been an issue with Euros only.

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The proper usage is "en suite" meaning in the suite in French. I would say An en suite bathroom with shower, simple and to the point.

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And the common usage would now be ensuite (no space), ie Guest room with ensuite bath, or Guest room with ensuite. Moreso than en-suite or en suite.

But B&B's everywhere want to use that term, I won't use it here in America. Just like HJ's issue with Double vs Single, it is foreign to people here.

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I agree with JB. Don't use en suite. They just don't get it. I know you've got the 'private bathroom' that is not attached, so maybe you could name that "private bathroom (across hall)" to differentiate.

Private bathroom with shower

If you say "with shower only" it makes it sound like it's not desirable. Creates a negative

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I agree with JB. Don't use en suite. They just don't get it. I know you've got the 'private bathroom' that is not attached, so maybe you could name that "private bathroom (across hall)" to differentiate.

I guess I watch too many House Hunters shows. They are all using ensuite now. If I am looking online for a place to stay and all it says is 'private'  I call to ask if it's 'attached' or 'detached', which probably makes the innkeeper come on here and complain about me! Eye-wink

I also don't want to put 'shower only' for the same reasons you've mentioned.

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Madeleine wrote:

Breakfast Diva wrote:

I agree with JB. Don't use en suite. They just don't get it. I know you've got the 'private bathroom' that is not attached, so maybe you could name that "private bathroom (across hall)" to differentiate.

I guess I watch too many House Hunters shows. They are all using ensuite now. If I am looking online for a place to stay and all it says is 'private'  I call to ask if it's 'attached' or 'detached', which probably makes the innkeeper come on here and complain about me! Eye-wink

I also don't want to put 'shower only' for the same reasons you've mentioned.

I'm with you on that one Madeleine, I read "private" to mean you have sole use of but it's not attached to the bedroom.

 

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Highlands John wrote:

Madeleine wrote:

Breakfast Diva wrote:

I agree with JB. Don't use en suite. They just don't get it. I know you've got the 'private bathroom' that is not attached, so maybe you could name that "private bathroom (across hall)" to differentiate.

I guess I watch too many House Hunters shows. They are all using ensuite now. If I am looking online for a place to stay and all it says is 'private'  I call to ask if it's 'attached' or 'detached', which probably makes the innkeeper come on here and complain about me! Eye-wink

I also don't want to put 'shower only' for the same reasons you've mentioned.

I'm with you on that one Madeleine, I read "private" to mean you have sole use of but it's not attached to the bedroom.

 

'Detached' here (in the US) means 'shared' no matter WHAT I tell the guests. I say 'it's your own private bath, not shared, we give you the key,' and I get, 'The room sounds nice but we don't want to share a bathroom.'

I will repeat the 'not shared, private' part but they insist that if the bathroom is not in the room, then it's a 'shared' bath.

Guest will check in and I will show them the bathroom, give them the key and they will ask, 'If I lock the door, how will these other rooms use the bathroom?' AGAIN, I explain the situation. (And I DO have a layout map on the website that shows where the rooms are and it includes the bathrooms.)

 

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Private bathroom with shower 

Private bathroom with tub

 

(don't use the word only it sounds bad)

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The bathroom is attached to the room and it has a shower but no tub.

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If you have other rooms that do have a tub, then the wording would probably be different - "with shower/tub".  So, they (hopefully) would realize that "with shower" means only a shower.

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