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There has been a good discussion on PAII about inns with cheap, single-ply toilet paper (guests don't like it) and I wanted to share this interesting post from Scott Crumpton of White Stone Marketing:

Luxury amenities are an interesting subject. Here's some other observations along those lines.

King size beds are now very much in high demand in a way similar to when jacuzzi tubs began to be ten years ago.

Comfort height elongated toilets (the taller ones) are now the norm in higher-end properties and homes and pardon the phrasing but lower/round toilets are now looked down upon like cheap toilet paper.

Lastly, I'm seeing more bidet toilet seats as a high-end amenity. The nice thing is that they function just like a regular toilet seat until someone wants to use it as a water fountain Eye-wink Installing them is also a piece of cake "if" you have a plug near the toilet (which isn't very common I understand).

I didn't know it but 95% of households in Italy have bidets and in predominantly muslim countries they actually use a sink sprayer attached to the toilet (saw that one personally and boy was I baffled until I read about it!).

If anyone is building an inn from the ground up I highly recommend the GFI plug in the commode area and four-outlet plugs in the bathroom and beside the beds. This last one is a simple conversion for any of you and an important one I believe. It never fails when I go to an inn or hotel that in order to plug in my phone I have to start yanking plugs out of the wall next to the bed and sometimes they're way behind the headboard.

Food for thought Eye-wink

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Seeing the toilet signs reminded me of this, which made the rounds on FB a year or two ago:

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Yes, probably wouldn't want to spray liquid directly onto/into the remote, but Lysol is a great disinfectant and spraying it on a wipe first should work fine. Also, good advice to do it twice. All disinfectants need time to work a while before they evaporate.

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ive been supervising my building work so havn't been on much - but as part of it 4 sockets over the desk/dressing table - to be fair it was DH's point sat down after we started the project and said when you have plugged in the tea tray and the lamp thats all the sockets used! quickly got the electrician to put in another 2! plus even those there were a few from how the room was before in slightly odd places ive left them as I know what people are like with appliances.

Have also realised when you sit on the toilet you can be seen by everyone in the conference center opposite so have had to order new obscure glass! I'll put on some fablon in the mean time and there is also a blind! everything else looks amazing mind!

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I've saw these signs in several places when I traveled to Asia because their normal toilets are just a hole in the floor you squat over, so they don't know how to use a western toilet, and tend to try to climb up on the rim and squat, or sit on it facing the back of the toilet.

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Wait Arks, remember mine, I am not sure if I posted it here...this was actually from a beachie part of the USA. In a brand new bathroom. Let me find it:

 

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Arkansawyer wrote:

I've saw these signs in several places when I traveled to Asia because their normal toilets are just a hole in the floor you squat over, so they don't know how to use a western toilet, and tend to try to climb up on the rim and squat, or sit on it facing the back of the toilet.

Overseas? Try America dude.

I guess men wouldn't notice as much as women when there is #1 all over the seat from this behavior. 

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I guess men wouldn't notice as much as women when there is #1 all over the seat from this behavior. 

My sympathy. I'll bet that's from women who "hover" above the seat because they don't want to touch the dirty thing.

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The worst thing is, toilets seats actually one of the cleanest things around.... now a keyboard or telephone, totally different story.

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Eric Arthur Blair wrote:

The worst thing is, toilets seats actually one of the cleanest things around.... now a keyboard or telephone, totally different story.

And they say in hotel rooms, the TV remote is the germiest thing in the room. Anybody have a suggestion on cleaning them, or putting them in a plastic sleeve?

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Clorox wipes on the remote, door knobs and most important, on the flush handle.

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Spray your cloth and wipe them down and then wipe them up again. Do it all the time.

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I always wiped down our remotes with antibacterial wipes.  I always take a small can of lysol when we travel. 

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We just ask our guests to hold it until they get home. wink

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Since I'm promoting as "upscale"  or "high-end" the two vacation rental apartments I'm putting in downtown (opening in May I pray) I've ordered two of these. Expensive, but a drop in the bucket compared to the overall cost of the project, and I really think it could be something that wows people enough to tell others about their visit. We'll see how it turns out.

I'll probably mount the remote control, with instructions, on the wall so it doesn't develop legs and get lost. People will have time to read the instructions before they use the thing.

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Oh My,  that would really tickle my fancy.  Will have to look into getting one for my own bathroom!

 

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An innkeeper friend installed this installed in her upscale suite. I don't know what it costs, but it's in the thousands! I remember using one of the fancy ones in Japan years ago. No directions and I couldn't figure out how to just flush it. Took a shower instead...with my clothes on. blush

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It really is one of those things you have to learn as a kid. It's not something you can ask as an adult. We had a bidet in our room in Ireland and I ended up shooting a jet of water across the bathroom. It just was not an easy contrivance to use! But I was game to try it out.

However, I'll bet there's a video on YouTube!

And it's also why there are so many bathroom signs that show up on lists of 'oddest signs seen around the world'. You just can't ask this stuff as an adult!

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Madeleine wrote:

It really is one of those things you have to learn as a kid. It's not something you can ask as an adult. We had a bidet in our room in Ireland and I ended up shooting a jet of water across the bathroom. It just was not an easy contrivance to use! But I was game to try it out.

However, I'll bet there's a video on YouTube!

And it's also why there are so many bathroom signs that show up on lists of 'oddest signs seen around the world'. You just can't ask this stuff as an adult!

Thank you. I would not have a clue. Outhouses do not come equipped with plumbing - oh wait, that is why you HAVE an outhouse. No plumbing!

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Yep I have several innkeeper friends who have these in their rooms. I never bothered trying out the features. I just went and left Smiling

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 I've ordered two of these. Expensive, but a drop in the bucket 

oh how punny you are!

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Okay, this is a toilet seat and plunger for all those Star Wars fans. Anyone putting one of these in?

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The broom in the tub is a nice touch...and is that an iPad on the floor?

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Eric Arthur Blair wrote:

Okay, this is a toilet seat and plunger for all those Star Wars fans. Anyone putting one of these in?

That sir is no plunger. It's obviously the arm of a Dalek!

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That's the Millennium Falcon and a plunger on the top of a light saber, silly.

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We use CostCo TP by the truck load.  Good quality.  A while bac, locally at least, they went to a bare roll pack (no individual outer wrapping), which makes sense for environmental reasons, but I felt the guests would object hygienically  to having the spare rolls under the sink lacking the outer wrapping, so we asked CostCo and they brought back the wrapped pack as a choice.

As for the seat itself, elongated and elevated is part of ADA.  Any innkeeper should try as hard as is reasonably possible to meet ADA guidelines even though we are generally exempt at 6 rooms or less.  Add a grab bar along side, to help the guest get their balance over their feet. 

 

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I once asked a GM after a Conference, "What pre-school did you rob to get your toilets?" His quizzical look made me elaborate that he should look at his guests - how many of them can take the tiny low toilets in his facility comfortably. I saw him several years later and he came up to me to say they DID replace all of them. He GOT it.

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I once asked a GM after a Conference, "What pre-school did you rob to get your toilets?" His quizzical look made me elaborate that he should look at his guests - how many of them can take the tiny low toilets in his facility comfortably. I saw him several years later and he came up to me to say they DID replace all of them. He GOT it.

When my inlaws built a house in Queensland Australia, it was nearly done when we were there for a visit. I walked in and thought WHAT THE HECK? The vanity mirror only came to my chest and shoulders, and nowhere to back up to see my face.

Then I went into the loo (always separate from the bathroom) and had to reach DOWN to grab the door knob. What the heck? and the light switch? Where the heck is it? LOW. Toilet, low.

I am tall, but felt like a giant. A NEW house.

I inquired, as you know I would. Why so low? Asian market. At this time, the whole market was catering to Asians who were buying up all the large houses in the area.

DOH! surprise

Meanwhile have you seen the height of some of these Japanese who visit? Very tall, many taller than I am. My niece lives in Japan now and teaches school, she emailed a photo and she is shorter than ALL in her class. She is 5'5". Sapporo Japan

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The vanity mirror only came to my chest and shoulders, and nowhere to back up to see my face.

Then I went into the loo (always separate from the bathroom) and had to reach DOWN to grab the door knob. What the heck? and the light switch? Where the heck is it? LOW. Toilet, low.

I was going to guess hobbits since Australia is so close to New Zealand. But Asians makes sense. I think the height increase in Asia is related to better nutrition.

The toilet seats I'm now looking at have heated seat, slow close feature, and they warm the water for the bidet feature. I might not get them now, but they're on the wish list! May be the type thing that people have never seen before and will rave about to their friends back home.

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Wish I could remember the sit-com that had an episode that referred to a bidet calling it a water fountain in the bathroom.

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We've decided that if we need to replace any toilets it will be with the taller units. I just can't justify the cost/land fill of pulling up perfectly fine shorter ones if they're still in good condition.

We buy the costco brand tp which is very plush and they have gone to a bigger roll. I swear those bigger rolls don't last any longer than the old ones. My complaint is that they are so big, they fill up the entire tp dispenser area and we can't fit our old cosy's over the spare roll. Now they're naked on top of the toilet tank.

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We've decided that if we need to replace any toilets it will be with the taller units. I just can't justify the cost/land fill of pulling up perfectly fine shorter ones if they're still in good condition.

We buy the costco brand tp which is very plush and they have gone to a bigger roll. I swear those bigger rolls don't last any longer than the old ones. My complaint is that they are so big, they fill up the entire tp dispenser area and we can't fit our old cosy's over the spare roll. Now they're naked on top of the toilet tank.

Okay this is just going to get weird, but okay...so we had a guest break a shower head (holder) so the piece which is plastic broke, but of course, it will.

Raced off to Lowe's last night, and walked past a toilet and we both stopped and said "oooooh" I think people may have thought we were mad! It had the no slam lid, so we stood there and opened and then it fall slowlyyyyy...so slowlyyyyy over and over again. We were in love!

Meanwhile, we had to buy a whole new shower head, which took 10 minutes od debate to get the right one, and win, ahem, I mean choose one...of course, as you can imagine.

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I didn't just look at them, I purchased! I prefer the painted wood ones but for the B&B I actually buy the plastic ones. We had trouble with the evenness of the paint on the regular wood ones. Either they would get stained from well... missed target or they would discolour from cleaning the missed targets. The plastic ones (and these aren't cheap plastic, these are damn expensive and very very solid ones) are coloured through and through and last much longer. Some people thought that I was crazy, buying new seats annually because of the discolouration.

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We get new seats, too. I had to go to wood because the plastic ones I can get here are so flimsy you can't put the lid down and sit on it without the whole thing caving in and then sliding all over because it has come loose.

But we go thru and really give them the once over and replace them as you do- when they start looking stained or we've scrubbed the paint off. We have spares in boxes in the basement.

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I think this is the one I bought. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/nextstep-round-toilet-seat-with-whisper-close-with-easy-clean-change-hinges/981501

It was sold as staying tightly in place, has the latches to remove for cleaning and whisper close all in heavy plastic. And it's a dream! A dream!

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I think this is the one I bought. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/nextstep-round-toilet-seat-with-whisper-close-with-easy-clean-change-hinges/981501

It was sold as staying tightly in place, has the latches to remove for cleaning and whisper close all in heavy plastic. And it's a dream! A dream!

That's the same one we use!

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Breakfast Diva wrote:

Eric Arthur Blair wrote:

I think this is the one I bought. http://www.homedepot.ca/product/nextstep-round-toilet-seat-with-whisper-close-with-easy-clean-change-hinges/981501

It was sold as staying tightly in place, has the latches to remove for cleaning and whisper close all in heavy plastic. And it's a dream! A dream!

That's the same one we use!

Dang, now Canada has access to our whisper close toilet seat technology!

But I guess it all comes from China anyway. Sigh.

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Actually, made in the USA! Actually, I gave the wrong model. The one I have is hard molded plastic. Best toilet seat EVER!

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Total sidetrack, as if that were possible on THIS thread...

Eric you mentioned the family background/heritage in textiles, I wanted to share this with you: This new textile trail opened last week.  Dan River, Martinsville, this whole area was huge in linens which is why Fieldale is here, Marshal Fields, etc. This trail goes through Fieldale...

I know you are a city slicker, but come on out to rural Virginia (can I get a yee-haa) and Southside Virginia to check this out (you know where I am, welcome any time). Smiling

 

 

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Tell me when they start making bed sheets again Smiling That's what I really want, well made quality woven bedsheets with elastic on the sides but not at the top or bottom.

Our next vacation is already planned, we are going Trans-Atlantic again but this time from Fort Lauderdale to London. The trail looks interesting, but we don't really get to even think of vacation after this until late October or early November. Busy season is coming. But I'll keep it on a list for the future.

And I might have someone else make the reservation to throw you off, so I can be anonymous Smiling

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Tell me when they start making bed sheets again Smiling That's what I really want, well made quality woven bedsheets with elastic on the sides but not at the top or bottom.

Our next vacation is already planned, we are going Trans-Atlantic again but this time from Fort Lauderdale to London. The trail looks interesting, but we don't really get to even think of vacation after this until late October or early November. Busy season is coming. But I'll keep it on a list for the future.

And I might have someone else make the reservation to throw you off, so I can be anonymous Smiling

Yeah I know what you look like from G+, sorry, nice try tho. cool

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We use the toilet seats that slowly close. No slams. I do understand your 'attraction' to the toilets! I look at some of them lovingly too!

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Was just thinking about this the other day. Mostly in re how many rolls to tp we replace in a day. And how, if I went to the 250 sheet, puffy rolls of tp, the guests would need 3 backup rolls in the bathroom. And how they would end up clogging the toilets more frequently than they do.

 

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Even though we have our septic tank pumped every year, I would never take the chance on using double ply, fluffy TP.  Maybe here in NE we just get guests who are "full of it"  if you get my drift.  But we would be clogged up by July if we offered a higher volume tp. We buy Sco  tt's single ply, wrapped and sold in bulk by B J.

Wrapped, spare roll is placed on toilet tank in a charming Nantucket Basket. http://www.2incbxgt.com  (Reproduction of course since authentic baskets run 100's of $$$)

 

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Silverspoon wrote:

Even though we have our septic tank pumped every year, I would never take the chance on using double ply, fluffy TP.  Maybe here in NE we just get guests who are "full of it"  if you get my drift.  But we would be clogged up by July if we offered a higher volume tp. We buy Sco  tt's single ply, wrapped and sold in bulk by B J.

Wrapped, spare roll is placed on toilet tank in a charming Nantucket Basket. http://www.2incbxgt.com  (Reproduction of course since authentic baskets run 100's of $$$)

 

We are on septic also and 3 of the most used toilets go into the smallest tank (we have 4 tanks and a sand filter) and we don't have a problem using the double ply. Yes, we get the guests who somehow use an amazing amount of tp. If I ever go to a place with 1 ply, what do I do? I use at least 2x the amount I would normally, because 1 ply is nasty stuff. I really don't think you're using less because of 1 ply. devil

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If I ever go to a place with 1 ply, what do I do? I use at least 2x the amount I would normally, because 1 ply is nasty stuff. I really don't think you're using less because of 1 ply.
 

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Comfort height elongated toilets is the only way to go!  Easier on older people knees, that is what I have heard,!  wink

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In a perfect world, it would be an elongated world. cool

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I wonder... does it get more or less pee stains underneath....

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Pretty unusual to see the elongated high toilets around here. I do agree on cheap toilet paper, though. We only buy two ply. We do buy one level down from what we want, optimally because we prefer to use a recycled brand for ecological reasons, but it is still two ply and soft enough to have a design embossed into it. And all my bathrooms have GFCI plugs. Usually next to the bed I have the USB plugs as well as extra plugs available. (And even if lots of plugs are available, guests still unplug the alarm clock and run through the damn backup battery!)

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