does govt really want to encourage 'small' business??

Yikes. In researching the 'fees' associated with the b&b we are looking at in PAC NW....
Total B&O 739.7 (for one year, its higher if income is higher)
lodging tax 4%

Here’s a list of needed licenses & permits:
Master Business License ($40/one-time fee)
Transient Accommodation License ($164/yr)
Corporate License ($20/yr)

Food Service Operation Permit & kitchen inspection ($160/yr)
Food Worker Card for each food handler ($10 every two years)
Annual septic inspection ($285/yr)
Annual inspection ($30/yr)
AND the kicker... we want to offer weddings, conference space, reunions, meeting space, anniversary celebrations etc.... so we need a "Conditional Use Permit" to the tune of $1125. with an additional fee of $250!
AND these are all for out in the county. Inside city limits its actually higher!
Seriously??? I thought Govt was trying to encourage 'small business'!!!

What you will find along both coasts are exorbitant fees for everything. Including higher rates for electricity, phone, internet, cable. Our property taxes are higher. We pay tax on heating fuel (nat gas) because we are a biz. Every time we turn around there is another fee or the fee has gone up. Business property tax.
It seems the middle of the country doesn't have the same fee structure and 'licensing' money grabs.

Madeleine said:

What you will find along both coasts are exorbitant fees for everything. Including higher rates for electricity, phone, internet, cable. Our property taxes are higher. We pay tax on heating fuel (nat gas) because we are a biz. Every time we turn around there is another fee or the fee has gone up. Business property tax.
It seems the middle of the country doesn't have the same fee structure and 'licensing' money grabs..

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Commercial property tax is double residential here.
Health Dept permit is $50 this year
Register with Sec of State as Biz - $25 per year
City License (OK it is a joke @ $15 per year)
B & O Tax = 50 cents on every $100 GROSS revenue
Personal Property tax on everything in the B & B (must submit a Sched C from Fed tax with the form (I have learned to NOT claim anything on my taxes - OK, will claim roof this year - because they tax it every year for the next 10 years @ 10% reduction depreciation every year)
If my street gets paved - I am assessed the cost from property line to property line to center of street to pay for it.
since was residence first I do get a break with the residential garbage fee (commercial is more for less trash and I keep my amount of trash down) and my phone is residential.
My property & personal property taxes were over $1000 this year (Homestead Exemption since we are over 65 makes the residential part of the house $0 for real estate tax). Now before anyone laughs at this, remember I am in a different economy here and these costs for here are just as hard to come up with in addition to insurance, utilities (we keep the gas bill down in winter by living mainly in 2 rooms and I layer). etc. And my State is looking for every nickel and dime they can suck from my pockets too.
What makes it better for me than for some is no one here is high on the hog. As my plumber told a colleague at a Conference a few years ago (right after the economy tanked) - We were not hit as hard as you folks were because when you were riding high on the hog, we were only up to his knees. We did not have so far to fall.
BTW - Illinois is as bad off or worse than you folks on the coasts. They are taxing the crap out of people. My daughter had to pay over $1000 to City Sticker her car and her motorcycle and pay to park on the street in front of her house in the City of Chicago and that is just the tip of the iceberg for the fees she has to pay. Just about every town and city has a City Sticker fee.

You don't want to get me started on this topic!

You might want to come here and endure low occupancy rate with the rest of us...
Total B&O 739.7 (for one year, its higher if income is higher)
I don't know what B&O is, but local business license is $80/year here.
lodging tax 4%
We're 2% (state tourism tax)
Master Business License ($40/one-time fee)
No such fee here.
Transient Accommodation License ($164/yr)
No such fee here
Corporate License ($20/yr)
$50/year to the state to be an LLC
Food Service Operation Permit & kitchen inspection ($160/yr)
No charge for permit here.
Food Worker Card for each food handler ($10 every two years)
No such thing here.
Annual septic inspection ($285/yr)
No inspections.
Annual inspection ($30/yr)
No inspections.
Conditional Use Permit" to the tune of $1125. with an additional fee of $250!
No such thing here.

Arkansawyer said:

You might want to come here and endure low occupancy rate with the rest of us...
Total B&O 739.7 (for one year, its higher if income is higher)
I don't know what B&O is, but local business license is $80/year here.
lodging tax 4%
We're 2% (state tourism tax)
Master Business License ($40/one-time fee)
No such fee here.
Transient Accommodation License ($164/yr)
No such fee here
Corporate License ($20/yr)
$50/year to the state to be an LLC
Food Service Operation Permit & kitchen inspection ($160/yr)
No charge for permit here.
Food Worker Card for each food handler ($10 every two years)
No such thing here.
Annual septic inspection ($285/yr)
No inspections.
Annual inspection ($30/yr)
No inspections.
Conditional Use Permit" to the tune of $1125. with an additional fee of $250!
No such thing here..

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Yes, Arkie, that is a huge part of what I was saying about us being on a different economy. The REALLY nice thing about our occupancy is that we rarely - if ever - get a PITA.

Where we are in OR (1 state south of Sunshine's example) we have in my county and/or state:
$150 corp fees
Lodging license (1-25 rooms) $251.52
Food license (small restaurant) $531.41 (regular b&b food license is in the mid $200 range)
Septic inspection when first licensed
Health Dept inspection $0
Food Handler's Card $10 for 3 years
Personal property tax (don't know the %)
1% state tourism tax
curently 0% city/county transient tax but will go up to 9% soon
Conditional use permit is for new b&b only. No fees thereafter and is transferable to new owner.
Since we have our own water supply, we have to have the water tested quarterly approx $175 per year
Here's the kicker in OR...if you have a 1 or 2 room b&b there are no fees, no inspections, no regulations, and they can even serve lunch and dinners without any permits. Chaps my hide I tell you!!

Sunshine, move to Oregon!!

Breakfast Diva said:

Where we are in OR (1 state south of Sunshine's example) we have in my county and/or state:
$150 corp fees
Lodging license (1-25 rooms) $251.52
Food license (small restaurant) $531.41 (regular b&b food license is in the mid $200 range)
Septic inspection when first licensed
Health Dept inspection $0
Food Handler's Card $10 for 3 years
Personal property tax (don't know the %)
1% state tourism tax
curently 0% city/county transient tax but will go up to 9% soon
Conditional use permit is for new b&b only. No fees thereafter and is transferable to new owner.
Since we have our own water supply, we have to have the water tested quarterly approx $175 per year
Here's the kicker in OR...if you have a 1 or 2 room b&b there are no fees, no inspections, no regulations, and they can even serve lunch and dinners without any permits. Chaps my hide I tell you!!

Sunshine, move to Oregon!!.

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Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....

Madeleine said:

What you will find along both coasts are exorbitant fees for everything. Including higher rates for electricity, phone, internet, cable. Our property taxes are higher. We pay tax on heating fuel (nat gas) because we are a biz. Every time we turn around there is another fee or the fee has gone up. Business property tax.
It seems the middle of the country doesn't have the same fee structure and 'licensing' money grabs..

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Absolutely true... we have hardly any fees here!

Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva said:

Where we are in OR (1 state south of Sunshine's example) we have in my county and/or state:
$150 corp fees
Lodging license (1-25 rooms) $251.52
Food license (small restaurant) $531.41 (regular b&b food license is in the mid $200 range)
Septic inspection when first licensed
Health Dept inspection $0
Food Handler's Card $10 for 3 years
Personal property tax (don't know the %)
1% state tourism tax
curently 0% city/county transient tax but will go up to 9% soon
Conditional use permit is for new b&b only. No fees thereafter and is transferable to new owner.
Since we have our own water supply, we have to have the water tested quarterly approx $175 per year
Here's the kicker in OR...if you have a 1 or 2 room b&b there are no fees, no inspections, no regulations, and they can even serve lunch and dinners without any permits. Chaps my hide I tell you!!

Sunshine, move to Oregon!!.

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Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....
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Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....

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Just think you can smoke ...at the new inn, it's legal, so you can't tell them no. One with nature, one with nature...hug the trees, love the earth...save the whales... Okay that's better, I am here again. In the now.

Joey Bloggs said:

Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva said:

Where we are in OR (1 state south of Sunshine's example) we have in my county and/or state:
$150 corp fees
Lodging license (1-25 rooms) $251.52
Food license (small restaurant) $531.41 (regular b&b food license is in the mid $200 range)
Septic inspection when first licensed
Health Dept inspection $0
Food Handler's Card $10 for 3 years
Personal property tax (don't know the %)
1% state tourism tax
curently 0% city/county transient tax but will go up to 9% soon
Conditional use permit is for new b&b only. No fees thereafter and is transferable to new owner.
Since we have our own water supply, we have to have the water tested quarterly approx $175 per year
Here's the kicker in OR...if you have a 1 or 2 room b&b there are no fees, no inspections, no regulations, and they can even serve lunch and dinners without any permits. Chaps my hide I tell you!!

Sunshine, move to Oregon!!.

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Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....
.

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Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....

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Just think you can smoke

...at the new inn, it's legal, so you can't tell them no. One with nature, one with nature...hug the trees, love the earth...save the whales... Okay that's better, I am here again. In the now.

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LOL! Too funny! I know... its weird huh??
Well, just like we can tell em "no smoking" on premises, we can add "ANYTHING" to that! Especially since almost ALL public place are all NON smoking out there! Unlike my current little town... you walk into a restaurant and all the farmers are in there smoking... I hate that!

Sunshine said:

Joey Bloggs said:

Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva said:

Where we are in OR (1 state south of Sunshine's example) we have in my county and/or state:
$150 corp fees
Lodging license (1-25 rooms) $251.52
Food license (small restaurant) $531.41 (regular b&b food license is in the mid $200 range)
Septic inspection when first licensed
Health Dept inspection $0
Food Handler's Card $10 for 3 years
Personal property tax (don't know the %)
1% state tourism tax
curently 0% city/county transient tax but will go up to 9% soon
Conditional use permit is for new b&b only. No fees thereafter and is transferable to new owner.
Since we have our own water supply, we have to have the water tested quarterly approx $175 per year
Here's the kicker in OR...if you have a 1 or 2 room b&b there are no fees, no inspections, no regulations, and they can even serve lunch and dinners without any permits. Chaps my hide I tell you!!

Sunshine, move to Oregon!!.

Click to expand...

Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....
.

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Sunshine said:

Breakfast Diva, Oregon is Beautiful... but my fam is in WA... and... so is my heart! I'll have to put up with those pesky fees.... besides... WA is amazingly beautiful especially the Oly Pen... where we are looking....

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Just think you can smoke

...at the new inn, it's legal, so you can't tell them no. One with nature, one with nature...hug the trees, love the earth...save the whales... Okay that's better, I am here again. In the now.

.

Click to expand...

LOL! Too funny! I know... its weird huh??
Well, just like we can tell em "no smoking" on premises, we can add "ANYTHING" to that! Especially since almost ALL public place are all NON smoking out there! Unlike my current little town... you walk into a restaurant and all the farmers are in there smoking... I hate that!
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Oh, I would hate that!!
There's a local tavern that would not go into when we first moved here because of smoking. Now (laws changed), I send a TON of guests there because they have the best fish & chips and local catch seafood. It's where the locals eat and doesn't rip off the tourists. Even after all these years when you walk in there's a faint hint of the smoke that's in the walls, but I can handle it. I'm sure they have much more business now that there's no smoking!

Other than hotel and sales tax, we have no other fees. But to answer the questoin asked, No they don't want to encourage small businesses. They get more tax revenue from large chains and industrial concerns.

Proud Texan said:

Other than hotel and sales tax, we have no other fees. But to answer the questoin asked, No they don't want to encourage small businesses. They get more tax revenue from large chains and industrial concerns..

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Yes, in theory the size of the checks are larger from the Big Boys however, ALL the small businesses put together actually pay more than the Big Boys. THAT is what is so sad about their attitude. Big corporations have either gone off-shore, merged into a conglomerate belonging to a foreign company (profits leave), or have been destroyed. Government either impedes small business or regulates it to death. Stupid because all those small checks add up to big bucks.