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Bed and breakfast owner appeals fire sprinkler ruling
Scranton Times-Tribune
Jake Danna Stevens / Staff Photographer The Clealand House in Scranton on Thursday, Jan 2, 2013. Owner William Nasser's efforts to open the ...
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After spending 10 years and more than $2 million on renovations, William Nasser Jr. said he was "on top of the world" as he prepared to open the Cleland House, a stately bed and breakfast hotel in Scranton's Hill Section in April.
He hired staff, began planning a marketing campaign and had several events booked. Then, just two months before the doors opened, city inspectors slammed them shut, demanding he install a sprinkler system throughout the structure at 520 Madison Ave....
 
Yes, that's the nature of a rehab project. At least I got the word early on that I had to put in a sprinkler system. Mine cost over $30,000.
I would question some of the numbers quoted in the article, but I certainly feel awful for him, and he has every right to be mad about them springing this on him right before opening, rather than at earlier inspections.
On the other hand, we only have the owner's side, and nothing of the city's side, so there may be more to the story.
 
There is no way of knowing. I WILL give the benefit of the doubt to the homeowner in this case, 100%.
STORY TIME:
We had everything approved (before commencing to building our home) and the Civil Engineer who designed our septic system and schematic was no longer registered in OUR COUNTY, he lived 10 minutes away in another county. He was registered there. They approved his designs every day...
They said they would no longer accept it, in our county, even though it had the COUNTY HEALTH DEPT STAMP right on it. After going through all the hoops to get it approved... The design was still approved, but we could not install it. The designer was no longer licensed in that county. So they knocked it back. This was AFTER it was approved, I say again, in case you missed it, AFTER. It had already BEEN APPROVED. TIME DID NOT RUN OUT.
We went all over the place, court, back to the Civil Engineer, he said they are a pita, so wouldn't continue to work in our county. Good luck!
We had to HIRE A NEW Civil Engineer to redesign a new septic system - yes, PAY FOR ALL THIS - AGAIN...then resubmit and go through all the same channels, which took months, again. Never days, never a week, months.
This was in KITSAP COUNTY, WASHINGTON STATE by the way, if anyone wants to know. We were not the only ones. Not by a long chalk!
When our house was finally all built, beautiful and amazing, they wouldn't let us move in because there was no back splash BEHIND the microwave on an open counter - breakfast bar. (We don't even have a backsplash HERE in this kitchen right now!)
We also had factory colored GREEN GUTTERS and they did not have the downspouts on them at the time of the FINAL so we didn't pass. We had to resubmit and wait for another inspection...which happened after the new year and holidays, so ti was weeks again, before we could move it. The downspouts were there, SITTING RIGHT AT THE BASE OF EACH POST but NOT CONNECTED. So they denied us passing. Literally RIGHT THERE, we paid to have nicer one made, factory colored and nope, sorry.
So all that to say I WILL ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE HOMEOWNER. I can change my mind later, but they are government building department Nazis, some of them.
 
don't get me started im replacing an awful breeze block extension with a nice stone one and I have a million hoops to jump through - what gets me really cross is if I was a house I wouldn't need any planning permission at all!
Harrogate council have said they are trying their best to help small businesses so we will see - not that ive seen any sign of it!
Today was the deadline for members of the public to comment on it - and there is only one from my behind neighbour who has said its a fab idea and he fully supports it so that's all good (I supported him on his planning so its a mutual deal)
We now have to wait till the 13th of Jan for the final report to say we can go ahead fingers crossed.
 
Joey Bloggs said:
There is no way of knowing. I WILL give the benefit of the doubt to the homeowner in this case, 100%.
STORY TIME:
We had everything approved (before commencing to building our home) and the Civil Engineer who designed our septic system and schematic was no longer registered in OUR COUNTY, he lived 10 minutes away in another county. He was registered there. They approved his designs every day...
They said they would no longer accept it, in our county, even though it had the COUNTY HEALTH DEPT STAMP right on it. After going through all the hoops to get it approved... The design was still approved, but we could not install it. The designer was no longer licensed in that county. So they knocked it back. This was AFTER it was approved, I say again, in case you missed it, AFTER. It had already BEEN APPROVED. TIME DID NOT RUN OUT.
We went all over the place, court, back to the Civil Engineer, he said they are a pita, so wouldn't continue to work in our county. Good luck!
We had to HIRE A NEW Civil Engineer to redesign a new septic system - yes, PAY FOR ALL THIS - AGAIN...then resubmit and go through all the same channels, which took months, again. Never days, never a week, months.
This was in KITSAP COUNTY, WASHINGTON STATE by the way, if anyone wants to know. We were not the only ones. Not by a long chalk!
When our house was finally all built, beautiful and amazing, they wouldn't let us move in because there was no back splash BEHIND the microwave on an open counter - breakfast bar. (We don't even have a backsplash HERE in this kitchen right now!)
We also had factory colored GREEN GUTTERS and they did not have the downspouts on them at the time of the FINAL so we didn't pass. We had to resubmit and wait for another inspection...which happened after the new year and holidays, so ti was weeks again, before we could move it. The downspouts were there, SITTING RIGHT AT THE BASE OF EACH POST but NOT CONNECTED. So they denied us passing. Literally RIGHT THERE, we paid to have nicer one made, factory colored and nope, sorry.
So all that to say I WILL ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE HOMEOWNER. I can change my mind later, but they are government building department Nazis, some of them..
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This all sounds very much like Bridgewater, Va. Been there, done that and still walking on egg shells, but opened in 2002 & still going !
 

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