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We don't have a liquor license, but I'm wondering about rules regarding serving wine to guests.
If we don't sell it, but we are drinking a glass of wine and invite our guests to join us and have a glass with us, is that ok? OR, if I place a bottle of wine in their room for a special occasion,(no charge) is that ok?
 
Check with your state! If I put wine in the room for a guest it's considered as sold here. Guest paid for room, wine was in room, guest paid for wine, I sold wine without a license.
I don't mess with ATF!
I don't think it's the same if you are having wine and ask someone to join you. But I don't think you can be in the inn proper. More like on your own porch.
I think we used to be able to have a bottle of wine out that anyone could drink as long as it was available to anyone at any time.
Every state and town and county is different.
 
Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask...
 
Ask the ABC and the ATF for their answer.
My exact words yesterday "Sorry it was not a champagne toast, we can only legally serve moonshine here" joking.
 
Don't do anything until you check with your ABC License folks. In VA we cannot give wine to anyone unless the B & B has the license. And..aside from that..our insurance specifically told us we could NOT give wine to guests. If they wanted to bring it in that was fine but nothing from us.
 
Hmmm. I wonder what the rule is if previous guests buy a bottle of wine, don't open it, and leave it in the room. Can it be left there for the next guests to enjoy?
 
Hmmm. I wonder what the rule is if previous guests buy a bottle of wine, don't open it, and leave it in the room. Can it be left there for the next guests to enjoy?.
Arks said:
Hmmm. I wonder what the rule is if previous guests buy a bottle of wine, don't open it, and leave it in the room. Can it be left there for the next guests to enjoy?
Yeah add lying to the feds to the list of offenses. haha
 
Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask....
the tax argument they have is ridiculous. We, the innkeeper have paid the tax when we bought it. We buy it retail, so full taxation. Why would they be able to double dip?
 
Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask....
the tax argument they have is ridiculous. We, the innkeeper have paid the tax when we bought it. We buy it retail, so full taxation. Why would they be able to double dip?
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When I was planning to apply for a B&B alcohol permit (our state has a separate permit for B&B's, allowing beer and wine only) I attended the mandated one-day class in Little Rock on the rules. We were told that all private clubs here, including B&Bs, are required to buy our stock at a private, licensed liquor store, pay full price including sales tax, then tax it again when we sell it at the B&B.
A guy raised his hand and said, "But isn't that double-dipping? We've already paid tax on it once."
The class instructor said, "Cry me a river. Next question."
They make the laws, and the law here is that it's taxed twice. Don't like it, you don't have to apply for a permit.
 
Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask....
the tax argument they have is ridiculous. We, the innkeeper have paid the tax when we bought it. We buy it retail, so full taxation. Why would they be able to double dip?
.
When I was planning to apply for a B&B alcohol permit (our state has a separate permit for B&B's, allowing beer and wine only) I attended the mandated one-day class in Little Rock on the rules. We were told that all private clubs here, including B&Bs, are required to buy our stock at a private, licensed liquor store, pay full price including sales tax, then tax it again when we sell it at the B&B.
A guy raised his hand and said, "But isn't that double-dipping? We've already paid tax on it once."
The class instructor said, "Cry me a river. Next question."
They make the laws, and the law here is that it's taxed twice. Don't like it, you don't have to apply for a permit.
.
I'm so glad I live in a state where 6 or less rooms properties can actually sell wine and beer to our customers. Maybe it's because we have a lot of wineries that have some leverage.
I sold 2 bottles just this past weekend as well as a romance package which contains a bottle of champagne.
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Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask....
the tax argument they have is ridiculous. We, the innkeeper have paid the tax when we bought it. We buy it retail, so full taxation. Why would they be able to double dip?
.
When I was planning to apply for a B&B alcohol permit (our state has a separate permit for B&B's, allowing beer and wine only) I attended the mandated one-day class in Little Rock on the rules. We were told that all private clubs here, including B&Bs, are required to buy our stock at a private, licensed liquor store, pay full price including sales tax, then tax it again when we sell it at the B&B.
A guy raised his hand and said, "But isn't that double-dipping? We've already paid tax on it once."
The class instructor said, "Cry me a river. Next question."
They make the laws, and the law here is that it's taxed twice. Don't like it, you don't have to apply for a permit.
.
I know you don't live here but that sounds very familiar!
Plus, here we have to tell the guests exactly where they can imbibe, they can only imbibe what they've bought here and i have to buy MY wine thru the distributor, too.
And, your distributor is assigned. You can only go there. Ours is 30 minutes away. There is one 2 blocks away but that's not mine.
That was years ago, maybe it's all changed but I don't want to be the alcohol police. Bad enough I have to police the parking lot!
 
Arkansas' rules are much like Maddie's. You can't even give it away, if you charge them for the room. It's considered that the money for the room includes the wine, and you can only make that "sale" if you have a license.
It's all about taxes. If you give it away, the state gets no tax on a sale, so they forbid it.
I cannot tell you to "just go for it". You have to make that decision on your own. If you ask the state, they'll probably say no. If you don't ask....
the tax argument they have is ridiculous. We, the innkeeper have paid the tax when we bought it. We buy it retail, so full taxation. Why would they be able to double dip?
.
When I was planning to apply for a B&B alcohol permit (our state has a separate permit for B&B's, allowing beer and wine only) I attended the mandated one-day class in Little Rock on the rules. We were told that all private clubs here, including B&Bs, are required to buy our stock at a private, licensed liquor store, pay full price including sales tax, then tax it again when we sell it at the B&B.
A guy raised his hand and said, "But isn't that double-dipping? We've already paid tax on it once."
The class instructor said, "Cry me a river. Next question."
They make the laws, and the law here is that it's taxed twice. Don't like it, you don't have to apply for a permit.
.
I'm so glad I live in a state where 6 or less rooms properties can actually sell wine and beer to our customers. Maybe it's because we have a lot of wineries that have some leverage.
I sold 2 bottles just this past weekend as well as a romance package which contains a bottle of champagne.
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I can still maple syrup without a license! Just sold one today! And had one in a pkg last week.
 
States differ. We go by the logic (I know, logic isn't the same as regulation), if we don't give it to everyone, then it isn't included in the price of the room, therefore, on the ocassional time we give wine away, we are sharing, not selling.
But I haven't specifically asked my state alcohol board.
Saturday, a man looked longingly at my hubby's martini. Hubby offered him one. He enjoyed it on the lawn while his wife enjoyed a cup of tea. No selling involved. Sharing only.
 
States differ. We go by the logic (I know, logic isn't the same as regulation), if we don't give it to everyone, then it isn't included in the price of the room, therefore, on the ocassional time we give wine away, we are sharing, not selling.
But I haven't specifically asked my state alcohol board.
Saturday, a man looked longingly at my hubby's martini. Hubby offered him one. He enjoyed it on the lawn while his wife enjoyed a cup of tea. No selling involved. Sharing only..
Your sharing is the government's distribution. Be careful.
 
States differ. We go by the logic (I know, logic isn't the same as regulation), if we don't give it to everyone, then it isn't included in the price of the room, therefore, on the ocassional time we give wine away, we are sharing, not selling.
But I haven't specifically asked my state alcohol board.
Saturday, a man looked longingly at my hubby's martini. Hubby offered him one. He enjoyed it on the lawn while his wife enjoyed a cup of tea. No selling involved. Sharing only..
See what your insurance company says
 
Sunshine said:
We don't have a liquor license, but I'm wondering about rules regarding serving wine to guests.
If we don't sell it, but we are drinking a glass of wine and invite our guests to join us and have a glass with us, is that ok? OR, if I place a bottle of wine in their room for a special occasion,(no charge) is that ok?
May I spell it out Sunns...this is what will happen. They will be blown away and think you are the greatest ever, which we already know to be true, and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!
 
I have the same problem here in Ohio. Since my B&B is located near a popular hike/bike trail, I was going to promote a fully stocked hiking/picnic backpack with wine and cheese, etc. as a special package for a certain price. Locals saw it on my website and I was sternly told, "You Cannot Sell Wine!" Now I sell the backpack with "a beverage" and the guests will have to provide their own wine if that is what they want. I cannot even put a bottle of champagne in the rooms for romantic weekends. Only sparkling cider.
 
Sunshine said:
We don't have a liquor license, but I'm wondering about rules regarding serving wine to guests.
If we don't sell it, but we are drinking a glass of wine and invite our guests to join us and have a glass with us, is that ok? OR, if I place a bottle of wine in their room for a special occasion,(no charge) is that ok?
May I spell it out Sunns...this is what will happen. They will be blown away and think you are the greatest ever, which we already know to be true, and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!.
Joey Bloggs said:
...and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!
Yes, I thought of that too. Slippery slope because you'd have to add "don't tell anybody" to avoid it being mentioned in a review, and then you're admitting to knowing you're doing wrong, which could come back to burn you.
 
Sunshine said:
We don't have a liquor license, but I'm wondering about rules regarding serving wine to guests.
If we don't sell it, but we are drinking a glass of wine and invite our guests to join us and have a glass with us, is that ok? OR, if I place a bottle of wine in their room for a special occasion,(no charge) is that ok?
May I spell it out Sunns...this is what will happen. They will be blown away and think you are the greatest ever, which we already know to be true, and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!.
Joey Bloggs said:
...and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!
Yes, I thought of that too. Slippery slope because you'd have to add "don't tell anybody" to avoid it being mentioned in a review, and then you're admitting to knowing you're doing wrong, which could come back to burn you.
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Arks said:
Joey Bloggs said:
...and then go to Trip Advisor and tell everyone all about it!
Yes, I thought of that too. Slippery slope because you'd have to add "don't tell anybody" to avoid it being mentioned in a review, and then you're admitting to knowing you're doing wrong, which could come back to burn you.
What would happen is they would think that was cute and make a comment about that too! :(
 
Gee, why are so many people so uptight about alcohol? Neighbours actually complaining? Wow.
 
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