"What time can I check-in?"

Called yesterday and asked this question. Was told 3 PM. Showed up at the door at 11:30 AM and asked again. Is here again at 2 PM.

I am overhearing the conversation...wants to bring someone to breakfast in the morning. Wants to use the kitchen while he is here. Heaven help me.


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I took check in times off my web site and say arranged.  Most people fly in and I make arrangements for their arrival time.  It is something I can do.

Where you have walk ins and so many rooms, you have to stick to check in times in order to get rooms turned.

Wants to bring 3-4 extra people to breakfast in the morning...

Is this a business meeting?  Or is he trying to treat friends on your dime?

hawley wrote:

Is this a business meeting?  Or is he trying to treat friends on your dime?

He volunteered to pay for breakfast, which would be fine if we weren't full. We just don't have the room for 'extras' who may or may not show up and who may or may not vacate the table on time.

Tell him he can, but you will have to charge each of them the room rate

WHAT???? I thought you said you only had PITA's in the SUMMER?????

You know what you are telling him don't you????? NO!!!!! AND NO to the Kitchen as well. I am telling you once again..get that folding screen for your kitchen area as a deterrant!!!!! Along with a sign...Health Dept does not permit guests to use our kitchen facilities. ..... It is not a solid door..but they have to have alot of nerve to move it....Oh well knowing some of your guests...they willSad

catlady wrote:

WHAT???? I thought you said you only had PITA's in the SUMMER?????

You know what you are telling him don't you????? NO!!!!! AND NO to the Kitchen as well. I am telling you once again..get that folding screen for your kitchen area as a deterrant!!!!! Along with a sign...Health Dept does not permit guests to use our kitchen facilities. ..... It is not a solid door..but they have to have alot of nerve to move it....Oh well knowing some of your guests...they willSad

The sign is up, he didn't see it when he asked. He said he totally understood and would abide by the rules. Like Muirford said, it's the weekend. LOTS of weddings here in town.

Unfortunately this time of year brings all the business but all the problems - B&B newbies, the people who wanted to stay at the big fancy resort but didn't get in, the people who take whatever they can get at the last minute whether it suits them or not.  All rookies.

We have a wedding party booked - friends of the bride.  I'm sure there will be some issues since we haven't spoken to any of them personally yet.  Plus we're full on Sunday night because of the holiday, so the wedding group will linger and I will need to push them out the door.

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The difference in your place Bree to most of us, most of our guests arrive LATE, not even within the check in time.

Why are yours all early, is it cuz they are old folks who leave at the crack of dawn and don't want to drive in the dark?  Sometimes they do that here enroute to their next B&B and I tell them "What time is check in? You can't get in before 3pm"  Oh, they always say. 

JunieBJones (JBJ) wrote:

The difference in your place Bree to most of us, most of our guests arrive LATE, not even within the check in time.

Why are yours all early, is it cuz they are old folks who leave at the crack of dawn and don't want to drive in the dark?  Sometimes they do that here enroute to their next B&B and I tell them "What time is check in? You can't get in before 3pm"  Oh, they always say. 

He said he's a teacher and they had an early release day today. He went away at 11:30, shopped or ate or whatever.

We just tell them no, if they want something we are neither equipped to handle or ready to handle.   If you lose them as a repeat customer, you're ahead of the game.

i guess i can somewhat understand someone showing up an hour before check in but we have had people show up at 9:30 in the a.m. before! breakfast is just ending & they say they were in the area so they thought we wouldn't mind if they checked in early! Uh, well, we do mind & i'm sure the people in the guestroom mind even more!

I'm wondering how this all turned out since I'm tuning in late.

I just say that I'm the staff - this is the check-in range. I've only had one request for early check-in and that was a "fling".  All of our check-ins that are outside the range are late check-ins.  Just had one tonight get here at almost 9 PM.  Has to do where the nearest really major airport is. 

Why do Bree's guest show up early??

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Samster wrote:
Why do Bree's guest show up early??

Some of them show up late instead.

The rest take off in the morning, get there, and want to check in before they go shop til they drop.

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Kk.

This I know....I was asking her really for the myriad of reasons why they might feel that it's OK to show up early.  Knock wood...I've never had a guest show up early that wasn't pre-arranged.

Samster wrote:

I'm wondering how this all turned out since I'm tuning in late.

I just say that I'm the staff - this is the check-in range. I've only had one request for early check-in and that was a "fling".  All of our check-ins that are outside the range are late check-ins.  Just had one tonight get here at almost 9 PM.  Has to do where the nearest really major airport is. 

Why do Bree's guest show up early??

Here's the kicker...if this guy had once EXPLAINED why he wanted to check-in early I would not have had a problem. He just kept calling and ringing. He SAID he got out of work early so figured he'd just come over. Fine, then amuse yourself. If he had ONCE mentioned he was FOG and was getting ready to host 100 people at a dinner I would have let him in.

My guests get here early because of incoming flights or because they want to shop but also want to empty the car of luggage first.

Yeah, I figured it was the shoppers.....

In one of my past lives I was a hotel trainer, if the room is clean and ready, why hold the guest back from checking in? I always tell guest 3pm, but if the room is ready earlier, you may go to the room, if not, you can use the public areas.

Same with late check out requests, we can't clean all the rooms at once, and if it's a reasonable time, and makes the guest happy, then do it. But be clear on your policies when they ask, ex: I would be happy to extend your check out time until 2pm, however please note that anytime after that I would need to charge you a 1/2 day rate until 6pm.

Now I am not saying you are always able to do this, but it truly amazes me that we sometimes forget what it's like to be a customer, and just think about "our policy"

Here's the deal in my case...there are 2 of us here doing all of the work from 5 AM to 11 PM. If I say 3 PM it is because I am worn out and need to be able to SIT and eat my breakfast before check in starts at 3. Answering the door sweaty, with arms filled with dirty sheets is not how I want to greet a guest. Having the dining room covered with laundry is not how I want the guest to see the inn for the first time.

When I get a housekeeper I will be happy to take guests whenever they show up because I will be fresh as a daisy and someone else will be seeing to the laundry. Until then, 'Policy' rules.

Late check-outs can stay until 11:30. That's the extent of what I can do for them. 2 PM is too close to check-in. After 1 PM you're paying for a full day because I will not be able to turn that room fast enough to accommodate everyone who shows up at noon for that same room. (Altho, this afternoon I did turn a room in 20 minutes, but I had had my breakfast, lunch and a walk by the time that guest left. And they DID pay full freight for the additional 5 hours they had the room.)

I do not want guests sitting in the common areas waiting for me to clean. Watching the dirty laundry going thru, the mops and buckets is not the image I want. I have made a LOT of concessions on what guests HAVE to see because there is not space to hide it from them, but to invite them in to watch is not on my game plan.

Obviously for a B&B that is well laid out with everything behind the scenes allowing guest to sit in the common areas and have tea and cookies (oh, right, I haven't had time to make those yet) is lovely. If a guest absolutely MUST check-in before hours, and they let me know this at booking, I will refer them to my comp, who have fulltime help. THEY can be gracious and dewy-fresh at noon, whereas I cannot.

Heck, they can even go out for lunch, something I haven't done since April.

Bree, this was just a general comment, not directed at you personally! Trust me, there is just ONE of me, with a few hours of "housekeeping" (haha) help a week, and I work 2 other jobs as well. There are so many Innkeepers that have never had hotel experience that sometimes these little tips may help them. May be why my business grew 80% in the first year over the first year and 15% a year thereafter. I am up at 6 and in bed at 1am, 7 days a week, .. I UNDERSTAND.

 

agoodman1963 wrote:

Bree, this was just a general comment, not directed at you personally! Trust me, there is just ONE of me, with a few hours of "housekeeping" (haha) help a week, and I work 2 other jobs as well. There are so many Innkeepers that have never had hotel experience that sometimes these little tips may help them. May be why my business grew 80% in the first year over the first year and 15% a year thereafter. I am up at 6 and in bed at 1am, 7 days a week, .. I UNDERSTAND.

 

If you are up at 6am and in bed at 1am 7 days aweek - then you must be a robot, you know that a half hour at 2 or 3 pm is the only thing keeping you PHYSICALLY out of hospital.  If I don't have a half hour to stretch out I would need traction. I AM YOUNG-ER-ISH than most innkeepers.  Well let's just say I AM NOT OLDISH.

These are not hotels, they are our homes, and we are not hired help, we need to take a break SOMEWHERE IN THERE or we lose it.  That equates to CHECK IN IS AT CHECK IN TIME.  Capiche?  I am saying this to the invisible guests, like the ones today who showed up when I finally got the grime off and had a nice shower.  They showed while I was in the shower or course, even though confirmation states no early check ins.

I know they are tired and hungry from the road.  Showing up early and taking my time when I have a wee half hour to myself is not advisable whether their room is ready or not.

Robot, hmm that's a new one. Zombie. Exhausted. Surviving. I do the B&B stuff, do my other jobs, get ready for the next B&B day. Repeat next day. I don't think I am unique with this situation as a single Innkeeper. I handle it. I have been in the hotel business for 25 years so working 7 days a week is nothing new to me.

Actually, a lot of people, Innkeepers or not, are pretty much running on empty. Was it Oprah or Doctor Phil that asked their audience if they were exhausted most of the time and about 80% said yes.

Send me the winning lotto numbers, or a rich handyman and I'll keep you updated with my new more serene night. And with that thought, I am off to prepare the dinners for my guests for Sunday and Monday.

Have a great week Yall!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (from the sleepy one!)

Hi

did I read right, you make dinners for your guests as well?

OMG how do you do it girl? 

Most b & b s are not permitted to make dinners.  Does your license allow you to make more than breakfasts?  Not that I would ever ever ever want to do that.

 

 

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knowlesl wrote:
Hi

did I read right, you make dinners for your guests as well?

OMG how do you do it girl? 

Most b & b s are not permitted to make dinners.  Does your license allow you to make more than breakfasts?  Not that I would ever ever ever want to do that.

Some places can... it depends on local regulations and what permits or licenses a B&B has pursued.  Here in Ohio I can make dinners, not only for guests but for others as well.  Maybe someday I'll start offering those, but not anytime soon!

Another B&B near here does afternoon teas... very elegant and beautiful.

It all depends.

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Kk.

agoodman1963 wrote:

Bree, this was just a general comment, not directed at you personally! Trust me, there is just ONE of me, with a few hours of "housekeeping" (haha) help a week, and I work 2 other jobs as well. There are so many Innkeepers that have never had hotel experience that sometimes these little tips may help them. May be why my business grew 80% in the first year over the first year and 15% a year thereafter. I am up at 6 and in bed at 1am, 7 days a week, .. I UNDERSTAND.

 

6 a.m. to 1 a.m.?  You're a better woman than me.  The 1 a.m. part is OK... but I need to average 8, 8-1/2 hours.  Too many nights in a row without and things go downhill.  In July, yeah, I'm probably looking at 5 a.m. to midnight, but eventually I have to nap to catch up.

There's one of me and four guest rooms.  Plus a wonderful dh who helps out after working long days.  Plus two almost five-year-olds who run wild from neglect on busy days.  (Well, maybe not that bad, but I wish I spent more time with them.)  Yesterday I had a guest who sweetly agreed to check in at 4 instead of 11.  Thank goodness!  It took every spare minute to get the work done before the guests arrived (first couple at 3), but I didn't get the cookies made until well after 5, almost 6 p.m.  By the time we went out for dinner I told dh I didn't care where we went as long as I could sit down and have someone else bring the food to me.

When I first started my attitude was, well, I'm here, why not just let people in if they come early?  The answer is because I'm still going full steam, trying to get it all done, and the time I take to check them in (even if it's only 10 minutes) throws me off.  I forget things, or I get that much more behind.  And if they're friendly and chatty, they'll want a lot more of my time than 10 minutes.

And if, by some miracle, I actually have all my rooms ready before check-in time (I'm new... maybe someday it could actually happen!) then that time is the chance I have to actually SIT down, check email and webervations, have a bite, make sure my kids are still alive and nothing's irrevocably destroyed in the family room... oh yeah, and visit the little room with a lock on it.  I need that time!  (Thank you SS for helping me to understand it before I got here.  Now I know it the hard way, too.)  Heck, if I knew they wouldn't show up early, I could concievably take a nap!  (Unfortunately, that's the best way I know to make the doorbell and/or phone ring.)

So, like I say... you're a better woman than me!  Three jobs on 5 hours of sleep?  I couldn't do it.  Well, maybe when I was 20, but not anymore.

How many years have you been in business?  How many rooms do you have?  Are you at 100% occ yet?

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Kk.

I have to throw my two cents in here just to make the point that in our experience, if you allow people to bend the rules (e.g., allow an early check-in despite what your policies say), these are the guests who will then try to bend EVERY rule that you have...they will ask for late check-out, special breakfast time, etc., etc., etc. 

This goes back to the thread "When running an Inn is like raising kids"...if you give an inch they will try to take a foot, every time.  Some people just feel compelled to see what they can get away with, just for the sake of it.

We do not allow early check-ins even if the room is ready (usually we're not even back from the grocery store, bank, etc. before our 2 pm check-in time starts anyway, so even if the room is ready the guest isn't getting in), and we charge $25/hour for late check-out.  We try to make our policies and the rationale behind them known, so most guests will eventually "get it", and even if they don't like the answer if they understand the "why", they do not leave upset.  In fact, most of them leave with a greater appreciation of what we do.

Bottom line, customer service is our top priority, but our policies exist for a reason and if we don't adhere to them we become our own worst enemies.

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This goes back to the thread "When running an Inn is like raising kids"...if you give an inch they will try to take a foot, every time.  Some people just feel compelled to see what they can get away with, just for the sake of it.

"Give them an inch and they think they're a ruler."

Welcome..but sorry...if I had to work 3 jobs and stay up for those hours, I would have closed years ago. 7 years of doing this as a "lifestyle" B & B was enough for me.  You wear me out just reading your posts. Sorry but I don't think it is worth it. Good luck to you!

it's a tough call!

if i had a couple days with practically no one, i could accommodate an early or late check in, etc.  the bottom line is still the bottom line and you need guests to survive.  but you also have to decide how far you can bend and when. because the goal is to be booked up and then you need that schedule!

i have had folks show up very early with 'hopes' ... maybe because the word INN is in my name ... hoping that i'll have a place they can relax and use the bathroom and stow the luggage, hoping that i have a small staff who can help them with whatever.  and not understanding how this little place works.   and there is another place in the area that does have a staff and is much more flexible with checkin. 

i try not to freak at the guests ... not make them feel like they made a mistake to book with me.  i have stepped outside (in all my messy glory) to smile and explain and to help them put their luggage in the library, etc.  and then i tell them to please come back in a while when the place will be ready.   i hopefully rant and act crabby just in here! 

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seashanty wrote:

it's a tough call!

if i had a couple days with practically no one, i could accommodate an early or late check in, etc.  the bottom line is still the bottom line and you need guests to survive.  but you also have to decide how far you can bend and when. because the goal is to be booked up and then you need that schedule!

i have had folks show up very early with 'hopes' ... maybe because the word INN is in my name ... hoping that i'll have a place they can relax and use the bathroom and stow the luggage, hoping that i have a small staff who can help them with whatever.  and not understanding how this little place works.   and there is another place in the area that does have a staff and is much more flexible with checkin. 

i try not to freak at the guests ... not make them feel like they made a mistake to book with me.  i have stepped outside (in all my messy glory) to smile and explain and to help them put their luggage in the library, etc.  and then i tell them to please come back in a while when the place will be ready.   i hopefully rant and act crabby just in here! 

I have no idea what it is...but I feel a quote coming on...something to the effect of "If the guests play by the rules they will be rewarded with a happy innkeeper"  not sure how to word it, but since each guests feels they are the one and only guest we ever deal with and have no idea the reason we have CHECK IN TIMES (that includes arriving before checkin time and arriving past midnight with no phone call) all of this upsets the apple cart.  Innkeepers need sleep, we are mere humans.  We also need to eat, doo doo and shower.  We need time to do these things! (sorry to be graphic, but that can be an issue when you never have a minute to yourself!!!!)

Sorry I missed the question earlier but yes I do dinners (mostly for guests and sometimes non guests, with advance notice (4 days) ... and on occassion with none... I can always make sandwich....).

Initially I was doing only a couple a month, but there are so few decent places to eat (we have one very casual Suthin' style place, Huddle House, a Pizza franchise and some other fast food).

My permit allowed me to do breakfasts and eyes would have been closed to any other "minor" meals, but (1) as my requests grew and (2) as the National Safeserv regulations are changing in 2009, my Health Inspector advised that if I wanted a food service permit it was better to apply for it now, which I did. I don't do any frying or grilling, but I do everything from packed lunches to light, and then 4-course candlelit dinners, as well as some ladies and business lunches. I don't have an alcohol permit. I serve a comp glass occassionally and tell guests they may bring their own " for reasonable consumption". Would love to have an alcohol permit. Lots of $$. Too much liability. It won't happen.

How? I don't know. It's a service for my guest, and they love not having to go riding around to get something after a long drive. If we had some nice restaurants in town, I would not feel the need to do them. I cover my costs and make a little.

Occassionally one has a "night" - like last night. Hardly ever happens. Grown son (50+) and (very elegant) mom are traveling. 2 full rate rooms. I had checked and given him some options - as well as checking for allergies and dislikes) and he said crab cakes. So it was going to be salad, crab cakes, sweet potato and asparagus w/hollandaise, and desert.  Suddenly got cold so I made soup and decided Soup, and then crab cakes on salad. Mom says what's for dinner? I tell her. Oh no she says, I am gluten intolerant. I cannot eat anything spicy. Need veg. etc. Sigh. Pulled some salmon out. Went Also added 3 other guests that were just sharing the pot of soup (which was more like stew so nice and warming). Added 3 places. Everyone had a blast, they were out on the porch until 11. I was exhausted. Mom/son added 2 books from the gift shop. He left early this morning so no breakfast and she is just having a light one later (saves on my time and my breakfast cost).

End result. Total bill is $300 for their 2 rooms. They are happy and since he has a farm in the area will now be staying with me rather than where they used to stay. Planning on bringing back wife.

Going back to my original point (the newbie is sticking her neck out here...). I don't promise early check-ins. My website and conf are clear. Reiterate on telecons. If their room is ready they can do an early check-in. I have never had one problem. I have never had a guest try to take advantage of that (like a 7-11am) arrival. If the room is not ready they can come in, use the downstairs toilet, leave their bags, help themselves to coffee)

And I have never had a guest abuse a late check out time.  I have never had a guest try to go to a dirty room and if I did extend a check out time, and if it ever happens that they are still in the room, and that is the last room to clean, I would knock on the door and tell them I need to make up the room.

Each to his own!  , hoping you all have a wonderful weekend.

 

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