Tesla Destination Charging

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Tesla is a totally electric car.  The company is in California and has been building cars since about 2010, but the factory has been ramping up production for the past couple of years and there are well over 80,000 on the road now and the goal is to produce 50k or more each year.  The factory is building a network of high voltage "Superchargers" along many of the interstates.  I drove to Mary's in Bridgewater using the supercharger network.  However, once you get to where you're going, it's helpful to know how to keep your car charged up if you drive away from the interstates.  

So, the Tesla factory also has a program called Destination Charging.  The factory will send the hardware for Tesla charging stations to hotels, B&B's and the like (which will only charge Teslas) for free.  The cost of the electrician to install the charger will vary, and is not paid for by the factory.  You may recall that Arks installed his own.  My guesstimate is that proper installation by an electrician might cost as much as $1,500... BUT by participating in this program, your property is listed on the Tesla website.  Although the audience is small now, it is growing.  You don't have to pay an annual fee to be listed on the Tesla website, so the cost of the electrician might be more of a marketing expense.  There are a few Sel ect Registry properties already on the site

The recommendation is that this charger be hooked up to a 100 amp circuit breaker, but I know that some places are using just a 50 amp breaker, and delivering less juice, which might be easier for those of you who have older properties.  The "wall charger" is weather proof and can be installed outdoors. Since the majority of the cost of installation is getting the wires pulled out to the parking area, A second suggestion is to look into buying a second electric car charger that works for other electric cars.  It is called a J1772 plug.  Those of you who are in destinations, like MtnKeeper or Beachy or JB might want to look into this a bit more. 

There is a website that lists all sorts of electric car charging options and you can sign up your property there for free even if all you have access to is a basic 120v plug.

Anyone who is more interested can email me or Arks off the forum.

Edited to say that you're going to all this trouble in order to attract guests who drive electric cars

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Got our first EV-charging guest today!

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  Beautiful!  May you have many more!

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Tesla or other? And, traveling how far from home?  We can charge non-tesla too (6 kW), but so far, none have ventured on the long range drive that includes a stay here.  Probably lack of ability or places to speed charge so it would have to be a single charge per day itinerary.

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It also shows you are not stuck in the buggy whip era.

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PhineasSwann wrote:

Got our first EV-charging guest today!

Good. It won't make you rich, but it's a huge help and service for EV travelers.

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It's in! Installed my ChargePoint Level 2 charger today on the side of my barn! 

Now to get the information out to all the EV search engines, apps and sites. Only challenge is that most are listing mine as a "home charger" rather than a commercial one.

 

Belay the info on the $500 credit. That's only if I buy an electric car. 

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   Congratulations!  May the EV cars start lining up at your place and fill your beds!  The best to the future of electricity to you!

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My EMC will give me a $500 credit per charging station up to $1,000 for installing them. 

Should help defray a good bit of the cost. 

Now question is, ChargePoint or the Bosch. 

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PhineasSwann wrote:

My EMC will give me a $500 credit per charging station up to $1,000 for installing them. 

Should help defray a good bit of the cost. 

Now question is, ChargePoint or the Bosch. 

   I know nothing about either of them, but considering your guests, I would go with the Bosch brand since its a brand people knows as good quality.  

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Now I have to find where to buy a J1772 charger to install. 

Wish there were ChargePoint type operations that would put them in for me, but apparently those days are gone. 

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Now I have to find where to buy a J1772 charger to install. 

I got mine on Amazon, but it wasn't the $800+ they are asking now! Tesla gave me a Tesla charger, and I added a Bosch charger on my own.

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Tesla gave us charger in 2015 and $200 for install (really easy, right through wall of shed with electrical panel 6 feet away).  We and Hilton Garden are still only two destination chargers in the whole Eugene urban area.  There is a big super charger station nearby.

I don't charge for charging so it's not on my books, but I estimate about 6 Tesla guests each year; in 3 years well upward of $4K revenue from about 2K$ of equipment and electricity costs.  Even if I had to pay for that equipment, I would have done the install as it pencils out and adds a coolness factor.

Our evolving marketing approach is to identify niche guests and try to build SEO there.  One such niche is northbound I-5 travelers.  Traffic in Portland is so miserable, anyone passing here after 2 or 3 pm might as well stay, charge, leaving after 8:30 am will avoid morning rush.  We need to mesh that idea with Tesla tourists.

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...aaaaaand I got my response: Nope. You're going to have to pay for all equipment, installation costs and an electrician. If I don't choose to do so, then I won't be listed on their site.

My response. Forget it. I'll install a J-1772 on my dime and *everyone* can use it. My brother tells me Tesla owners check all the sites listing EV stations, not just Tesla's. 

Sorry, Elon. It seems to be going downhill for you, bud. 

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Sorry, Elon. It seems to be going downhill for you, bud. 

Might be. Time will tell. But I think in this particular case, they've just made a business decision, like the rest of us would. They have now built such a complete, and growing, network of company superchargers, they no longer need to encourage the destination chargers.

I think destination chargers were a stop-gap measure to get more chargers around the country while they got their supercharger network completed. Each supercharger costs about $200,000 to put in, and it takes a few months to build. They're spending $8 billion to fill out the network, and they've got things covered pretty will now. Those destination chargers were a drop in the bucket to them.

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I am just grateful for getting the chargers I have. It DID bring me some rooms nights I would not have had. It DID save a lady who was running out of charge while I was in Finland last year. I have has bookings because of the J1772 that Tesla gave me when they gave me the Tesla charger (SOOOO VERY grateful to Innkeep for the info about it).

As much as anything, it shows I was keeping up with the future AND it gives me more marketing exposure.

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As much as anything, it shows I was keeping up with the future AND it gives me more marketing exposure.

True. There's a prestige factor to having a Tesla charger. I've had a few guests wowed by it, and they didn't even have electric cars. But the ones who have put dollars in my pocket are the Tesla DRIVERS!

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I sent Tesla a note back saying if they were no longer paying for equipment and installation, then it made more sense for me to put in a J1772. If I'm paying for everything then I'm putting in a system everyone can use. We'll see if they change their offer. I'd like to offer both since Tesla owners and my type of guests tend to overlap a lot. 

My brother, who is supposed to take delivery of his Tesla next week, tells me they're in somewhat of a cash crunch right now, which may explain why theyre tightening the offerings. 

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Darren,

If you do decide to get a J1772 plug Teslas can charge as well as all other electric cars.  The best place to list your place is www.plugshare.com  You have an opportunity to specify that charging is limited to guests or what you would charge to allow others to charge. Most EV roadtrippers consult Plugshare, and there's a smartphone app for Plugshare.  Kathleen, you should list on plugshare also.

Like Kathleen said, now that there are superchargers north, southwest, and soon to be southeast of you, you will see fewer drivers in need.  Your nearby ski resort is also listed as having a destination charger, so I guess there's less of a reason for Tesla to entice you, although Tesla is now producing 7,000 new cars every week and destination chargers do show up on Tesla's navigation screen in the car.

I'm only listed on Plugshare and do get an occasional guest who comes for me and for the charging.  JimBoone, I sure don't know what to tell you.  You probably don't want to throw good money after bad, but if you'd like me to pursue your complaints and need for service, email me and I'll see if I get any further than you did.

My diabolical plan has always been to get as many innmates as possible to have EV charging so I can freeload from one property to the nextwink

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JimBoone, I sure don't know what to tell you.  You probably don't want to throw good money after bad, but if you'd like me to pursue your complaints and need for service, email me and I'll see if I get any further than you did.

Thanks Innkeep for your offer. Actually in our case Tesla did provide the equipment and installation so not exactly a money issue, my issue was more being caught between the electrician and Tesla pointing fingers at each other. 

To edit my earlier post, we did have a returning guest last night with a Tesla, came anyway knowing that the charger didn't seem to be working. Just for the heck of it we set the rotary dial on the charger to a lower level, 60 rather than 80, it appeared to work last night and he reports this morning that it did charge his car.

 

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I listed on plugshare and the government site - alternative fuels I think it is in 2015. I goo gled for sites when I got my chargers and listed on any that showed up.

One thing about the plethora of chargers sprouting up, it makes it easier for them TO travel and therefore, perhaps, more likely for us to get them as guests because of who we are AND have chargers instead of desparate for a charger.

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Is there some change in the program? My acceptance letter tells me I'm responsible for the cost of the equipment, in addition to all the installation and electrician expenses? 

If that's true, screw it. I'll just install a J1772 and be done with it.

Or am I missing something? 

 

Thank you for your submission! My name is Peter Ambiel and I’m a Project Manager for Tesla’s Destination Charging Team.

Based upon your property’s reviews and location, I’m excited to inform you that your property was accepted into the Destination Charging Program! As more and more Teslas hit the road each day, charging is an important and convenient amenity to offer to a growing customer base. If you choose to move forward, you will be added to Tesla’s Destination Charging Map, which Tesla owners rely on each day and for each road trip to find convenient charging locations.

Please find a summary of the next steps below, followed by all resources to properly accomplish these steps:

Next Steps:

Contact your preferred electrician and provide them our Tesla Connector Installation Guide.
Ask them to provide an installation estimate based off of the install guide and our Single Line Diagram (please include permit costs).
Ask for an installation in somewhat close proximity to power and one that can be wall mounted to reduce overall cost. Pedestals for non-wall mounting sites will need to be purchased by the property if necessary (Tesla can make a pedestal recommendation upon request) .
Please email me the estimate once you receive it back.

Responsibility:

As host, you are responsible for the cost of equipment, the cost of installation, and the ongoing electricity costs (a full overnight charge, for example, will cost around $6, calculated here).
Also in good faith, we ask you to make your charging available for Tesla owners in need, who may not be patronizing your business. In turn, you may ask for no more than $6 per charge session to cover your time and costs.

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Time is what has changed. When I got mine in 2015, there were NO Tesla chargers between North of Pittsburgh and have no idea where south because Charleston did not have one.  I was half way between and just 7 miles off the Interstate. THAT is why I got mine. Today they would not even consider me - there is now a supercharger in Morgantown AT an exit from I-79. As with anything, it is timing. WV State Parks now have the chargers. I have one State Park 30 miles away, one is about 45 miles and a third is 60 miles. One has camping & cabins, the second and third have both plus a losge with rooms.

BTW - it is not free to passing through charge-ups. Non-guests pay $15 fora charge. I may raise that to $20 next year although I get very few of those now. Morgantown is only 35 miles away if they stay on the Interstate.

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Something over a year ago Telsa supplied the charger and paid the electrician for the install, first Tesla guest was nice and charger worked well for him, second Tesla guest just threw the charger cord in the wet grass when he finished charging and on the third use it wouldn't charge. Tesla contact was easy to work with and sent a replacement charger and again it worked last fall for one or two guests and a couple of folks that just expected a free charge without asking.

This spring/summer it didn't work again for a Tesla guest, my original contact appeared to be no longer at Tesla, response seemed to be that our power was a problem or electrician didn't install it correct, I got that go away don't bother me feeling and at present we are in limbo. Who is really at fault, I don't know.

I like the idea of providing convenience for our guests, but if it is all on us including providing a free/cheap service for non guests I'm not sure I'd consider it a great financial venture

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I had to pay for the electrician and installation. All I got was the free charger. Others got it all paid for. When I asked them, they told me I didn't have enough rooms to qualify for free installation. But also, of course, there may be a change in the program. After a few years, they might be getting enough saturation of chargers now, so they don't have to encourage them as much as in the past.

When I got my destination charger, Arkansas had zero superchargers. Now we have 2, with 6 more under construction. With so many superchargers coast to coast now, the destination chargers aren't so important. People can just drive to a supercharger to get a faster free charge.

I get about 5 bookings/year because of my charger. Probably not worth putting in if you have to pay for installation. Spend that money on something else.

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Have the material in hand and waiting on the electrician to fit me into his schedule.

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Sure wish they would contact me.  I filled out the form about this time last year.  Guess I should do it again in case they lost my info.  

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After reading this thread a few days ago, I applied with Air.  They've informed me I 'qualify" and will send a free charger.

I did check my area on the Tesla map and found only one station withing 50 miles of here.

Now to research getting the electric done.

 

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Now to research getting the electric done.

If you have enough rooms, they will pay for the electric too. At least, they did for Gillum.

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Yep - and I have all of 3 rooms. So far 2 Teslas stayed for a total of 3 room nights and one has been here twice for a "fill-up".

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Even better!

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I sent you the e-mail of my contact person.

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I sent you the e-mail of my contact person.

 

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Sure wish they would contact me.  I filled out the form about this time last year.  Guess I should do it again in case they lost my info.  

Yes you should!

I can't believe how few destination chargers are out there. I'm headed to a conference in Memphis next month. Not a single Tesla destination charger in this metro area of 1.3 million people! I'll have to stay near a downtown parking garage that has a much slower public charger available.

I'm wanting to visit cousins in Tulsa. Not a single Tesla destination charger in that city of one million. I'll have to leave my car at a slow public charger and have my cousin drive me over to pick it up when it's done.

So the lack of chargers doesn't keep me from going where I want to go, it just makes things take a little longer to get done. I would sure be staying at an inn with a destination charger, if there was one!

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I was very surprised how few there were in my town (high end area full of people with more money than they know what to do with top football managers and stuff like that) figured there would be lots! ive been chasing them as they said mine would be out in "the summer" as UK is different electric to USA and Europe so they have to tweek it - grrr!

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...they said mine would be out in "the summer" as UK is different electric to USA and Europe so they have to tweek it - grrr!

Much as you hate to, I think you need to become a squeaky wheel to get this done. Complain. My high power wall charger came with installation instructions for both USA and Europe. There's a destination charger at a hotel in your town. If they can get one, you can too!

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are you sure as there wasn't one when I looked last - Ahh I know this place VERY large 5 star hotel where Bill Clinton Stays I am 100% certain they will have paid for theirs as its definitely their target market and its right on the edge of my town and probably for only their own guests

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Jcam wrote:

are you sure as there wasn't one when I looked last - Ahh I know this place VERY large 5 star hotel where Bill Clinton Stays I am 100% certain they will have paid for theirs as its definitely their target market and its right on the edge of my town and probably for only their own guests

Yes, that's the one. Bill (we in Arkansas get to call him that) was there for a wedding.

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and pops along in his chopper for golf if in the area lol

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It would be great fun to drive a Tesla in the WV hills! Until they get a supercharger out in the middle of the state, destination chargers like Gillum's, and now the parks, are the way to do it.

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Arks wrote:

It would be great fun to drive a Tesla in the WV hills! Until they get a supercharger out in the middle of the state, destination chargers like Gillum's, and now the parks, are the way to do it.

and an inn to inn package too. There are many variables. All good!

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Inn the news for Gillum and the rest. Smiling

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I was trying to get the B & Bs to apply to get an inn-to-inn network. I got a couple who got them in the last round. 

I am glad the State Parks are doing it BUT I am already fighting their advertising of the "bed & breakfast experience" and "bed & breakfast weekend" with one resort just about 40 miles down the road. Kind of hard for me to compete with a place that has golf, fine dining, dinner cruise on the lake...... Our State Parks that have lodges are public/private partnerships. State owns the facility but it is managed (and profits taken by) the private partnership. Yes, you are hearing the sour grapes. I do not have their marketing budget.

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I was trying to get the B & Bs to apply to get an inn-to-inn network. I got a couple who got them in the last round. 

I am glad the State Parks are doing it BUT I am already fighting their advertising of the "bed & breakfast experience" and "bed & breakfast weekend" with one resort just about 40 miles down the road. Kind of hard for me to compete with a place that has golf, fine dining, dinner cruise on the lake...... Our State Parks that have lodges are public/private partnerships. State owns the facility but it is managed (and profits taken by) the private partnership. Yes, you are hearing the sour grapes. I do not have their marketing budget.

I was sharing it so you know. If you didn't already know, you should know, now you know. 

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gillumhouse wrote:

I was trying to get the B & Bs to apply to get an inn-to-inn network. I got a couple who got them in the last round. 

I am glad the State Parks are doing it BUT I am already fighting their advertising of the "bed & breakfast experience" and "bed & breakfast weekend" with one resort just about 40 miles down the road. Kind of hard for me to compete with a place that has golf, fine dining, dinner cruise on the lake...... Our State Parks that have lodges are public/private partnerships. State owns the facility but it is managed (and profits taken by) the private partnership. Yes, you are hearing the sour grapes. I do not have their marketing budget.

I was sharing it so you know. If you didn't already know, you should know, now you know. 

I understood why you posted and truly appreciate it (I sometimes do not read the paper for a few days). This was one article I actually had seen. It is good info for others to watch to see what is happening with their State and State Parks, especially if they have them nearby. State Parks can be used as an attraction (as well as being a competition if they have a lodge) - and I do just that.

To be honest, I had thought about talking to the State Parks people about getting Tesla chargers, but was hoping (unfortunately as expected, uselessly) to get more B & Bs to do it first for the inn-to-inn Tesla tour. Sigh.

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Air has joined the destination charging bandwagon

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Air has joined the destination charging bandwagon

Yes, time to stop fighting Air and join them. They are not going away. Quite the opposite! They already dwarf many of the long time big players.

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I tell all the B & B folks I work with to get on air...why fight it?  Just promote how you are the best!

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I am in the camp of those who plan to aggressively report those who do not follow the regulations or taxes.  I am also in the camp of being on Air.  Why not do both?  It is a question of fairness...  Change the zoning and eliminate the tax, or make everyone follow it.

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