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First PITA of the season, demanding from the moment they arrived. He was ok, but she was arrogant with it.
Here for 1 night in my cheapest room and then wants to stay after checkout in our dinning room and use our wifi into the afternoon. She was pretty insistent about it too "I have to work", sorry, so do we.
During breakfast DH said to me whilst running backwards and forwards for them "This is why I wouldn't want to be 5 star" and do you know what? I was thinking exactly the same thing!!
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When I hear the arrogance stories from my innkeeping buddies in town, I'm happy we're not the high end place.
 
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much).
 
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much)..
We're on a very tight schedule. Guests out by 11 so WE can gulp a quick lunch before the early arriving guests appear on the scene. Laundry. Room cleaning. Grocery shopping. Answering emails and returning the calls that came in during breakfast.
If the guest remains in the house after check out they are no longer guests. If they get injured after check out do you think your insurance is going to cover this?
Now you cannot leave the building because these folks are no longer registered guests. They are essentially strangers you've given the front door key to.
In your case - how will your wife get on with her work if the guests refuse to check out? How long is too long? If the guests are still in the building at 3? 6? 8 pm?
I can say with the tired voice of experience that these guests don't just want to sit in the lounge. They also want tea and coffee. A bathroom. Your attention. If they are willing to push their agenda, they will push as far as they can.
If you have a pool they'll want to use it. Need towels. A place to change their clothes.
Their friends will drop by and ask for your time.
They don't think you have anything else to do but serve them.
 
this is why we are lucky with a large lounge and doors that lock behind you - guest can sit in the lounge and use the wifi - but they hand in their key and when they go they don't get back in.
In a lot of ways its the only way to get some people to check out on time.
 
this is a tough one.
i understand the 'have to work' comment ... but b&b's aren't coffee shops with areas that folks can linger in.
b&b's aren't hotels with lobbies and staff.
those i've stay in, maybe 50, are homes with private space and guest space intertwined ... staffed by the owners with maybe a chambermaid or two ... sometimes the owners fly solo ... depending on the size of the place and whether or not they could afford help.
in my case, that little window of time between check OUT by 11 and check IN at 3 was only 4 hours to get rooms flipped and fluffed - it was also the only 'down' time i got. if i only had a few guests and they left, i could lock all the doors and lie down or take a shower and wash my hair (a big luxury).
just one guest in the house changes that dynamic. i was up cooking at 6, serving breakfast from 8 to 10, and then doing dishes and cleanup, then cleaning rooms and checking guests out, then cleaning common areas (that includes sweeping the front porch and the front hall). groceries had to be purchased, banking done, laundry done ... phone calls were constant, you have bookkeeping to do, and what about marketing and website maintenance, and social media?? and what about that guest who keeps wanting to change their reservation or is lost on the road? guest check in started at 3 and sometimes they would come early. it was endless and this is seven days a week. seven. with eight rooms i felt chained to the place in a way i don't know how to explain.
i know it sounds harsh when someone complains that a guest wanted to check out and remain in the house, it seems like it's no big deal. but you don't want to leave an unregistered guest in the house and go out. sometimes your dining area is in a place that allows access to places you don't want unsupervised, no longer registered guests, to go. sometimes your insurance even prohibits it.
undersea and others in the planning stages - if you can design an area separate from the main b&b where this kind of overflow (should you choose to accommodate it) can happen, then do it.
 
this is the place to vent ... the safe place to vent. so hopefully guests DON'T 'read the annoyance'.
 
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much)..
undersea said:
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much).
Undersea, Run that by me again after two years of serving guests so I don't forget...... I can't wait to hear your guest stories too!
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this is a tough one.
i understand the 'have to work' comment ... but b&b's aren't coffee shops with areas that folks can linger in.
b&b's aren't hotels with lobbies and staff.
those i've stay in, maybe 50, are homes with private space and guest space intertwined ... staffed by the owners with maybe a chambermaid or two ... sometimes the owners fly solo ... depending on the size of the place and whether or not they could afford help.
in my case, that little window of time between check OUT by 11 and check IN at 3 was only 4 hours to get rooms flipped and fluffed - it was also the only 'down' time i got. if i only had a few guests and they left, i could lock all the doors and lie down or take a shower and wash my hair (a big luxury).
just one guest in the house changes that dynamic. i was up cooking at 6, serving breakfast from 8 to 10, and then doing dishes and cleanup, then cleaning rooms and checking guests out, then cleaning common areas (that includes sweeping the front porch and the front hall). groceries had to be purchased, banking done, laundry done ... phone calls were constant, you have bookkeeping to do, and what about marketing and website maintenance, and social media?? and what about that guest who keeps wanting to change their reservation or is lost on the road? guest check in started at 3 and sometimes they would come early. it was endless and this is seven days a week. seven. with eight rooms i felt chained to the place in a way i don't know how to explain.
i know it sounds harsh when someone complains that a guest wanted to check out and remain in the house, it seems like it's no big deal. but you don't want to leave an unregistered guest in the house and go out. sometimes your dining area is in a place that allows access to places you don't want unsupervised, no longer registered guests, to go. sometimes your insurance even prohibits it.
undersea and others in the planning stages - if you can design an area separate from the main b&b where this kind of overflow (should you choose to accommodate it) can happen, then do it..
The PO's made a lot of deals with guests to let them stay on after check out. The PO's had a full time housekeeper who could be left to mind the store while the innkeepers went out or just went to their apartment to relax.
Those same guests were affronted! that we expected them to take their suitcases to the car and give back the room keys.
Sure, sit in the dining room and have your business meeting. (What??? They never mentioned taking over the dining room for a business meeting for 2 hours AFTER check out.)
Of course they wanted coffee laid on and, oh a few muffins would be nice.
But if we had the keys what bathroom could they use???
You can see how these things snowball. Even tho they probably shared a bathroom at work, they did NOT want to share a bathroom here even just for a couple of hours.
We've been scolded for being 'rude' and 'inhospitable' for asking guests to uphold their end of the bargain.
One family stayed for 2 extra hours, hogged the living room, computer, printer and continued to make coffee the entire time.
Another several couples refused to vacate their rooms until 1pm. One of those wanted us to make him breakfast to go. At freakin' one pm!
BTW, these have always been late arrivals. They don't see you, they don't give a rip about you.
 
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much)..
undersea said:
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much).
Thankfully, I have had VERY few do this stay late, come early, etc. But I can tell you it has nothing to do with the hospitality offered by the host. It is a ME attitude that MUST be met and put down.
The B & B innkeeper has a life and duties that must be taken care of. The NEXT guest deserves a clean room and pleasant, smiling innkeeper. Most of us are do-it-all innkeepers. Staff is not in the equation.
So I only have 3 rooms but I have a husband with doctor appointments, a history of surgeries and hospital visits, am involved in my City, have days like yesterday when I get a call that someone wants to see the 1778 log house or as a couple days ago needed to sign documents and fax them for the City. There is no way unregistered people are going to be left in my house. Most of my other duties are willing (and able) to revolve around the B &B, but sometimes not.
Council meeting nights and any Tuesday in rehearsal season anyone who arrives between 6:30 - 9:30 PM will have to settle for Himself telling them about the room until I return. It is quite easy to say - what is the big deal? - but until you have lived it, you cannot fathom what a big deal it truly is.
 
Sorry you have to deal with that HJ and HJ2.
I know there is always more to it than a short post here, we never share all the details on the www.
 
this is a tough one.
i understand the 'have to work' comment ... but b&b's aren't coffee shops with areas that folks can linger in.
b&b's aren't hotels with lobbies and staff.
those i've stay in, maybe 50, are homes with private space and guest space intertwined ... staffed by the owners with maybe a chambermaid or two ... sometimes the owners fly solo ... depending on the size of the place and whether or not they could afford help.
in my case, that little window of time between check OUT by 11 and check IN at 3 was only 4 hours to get rooms flipped and fluffed - it was also the only 'down' time i got. if i only had a few guests and they left, i could lock all the doors and lie down or take a shower and wash my hair (a big luxury).
just one guest in the house changes that dynamic. i was up cooking at 6, serving breakfast from 8 to 10, and then doing dishes and cleanup, then cleaning rooms and checking guests out, then cleaning common areas (that includes sweeping the front porch and the front hall). groceries had to be purchased, banking done, laundry done ... phone calls were constant, you have bookkeeping to do, and what about marketing and website maintenance, and social media?? and what about that guest who keeps wanting to change their reservation or is lost on the road? guest check in started at 3 and sometimes they would come early. it was endless and this is seven days a week. seven. with eight rooms i felt chained to the place in a way i don't know how to explain.
i know it sounds harsh when someone complains that a guest wanted to check out and remain in the house, it seems like it's no big deal. but you don't want to leave an unregistered guest in the house and go out. sometimes your dining area is in a place that allows access to places you don't want unsupervised, no longer registered guests, to go. sometimes your insurance even prohibits it.
undersea and others in the planning stages - if you can design an area separate from the main b&b where this kind of overflow (should you choose to accommodate it) can happen, then do it..
The PO's made a lot of deals with guests to let them stay on after check out. The PO's had a full time housekeeper who could be left to mind the store while the innkeepers went out or just went to their apartment to relax.
Those same guests were affronted! that we expected them to take their suitcases to the car and give back the room keys.
Sure, sit in the dining room and have your business meeting. (What??? They never mentioned taking over the dining room for a business meeting for 2 hours AFTER check out.)
Of course they wanted coffee laid on and, oh a few muffins would be nice.
But if we had the keys what bathroom could they use???
You can see how these things snowball. Even tho they probably shared a bathroom at work, they did NOT want to share a bathroom here even just for a couple of hours.
We've been scolded for being 'rude' and 'inhospitable' for asking guests to uphold their end of the bargain.
One family stayed for 2 extra hours, hogged the living room, computer, printer and continued to make coffee the entire time.
Another several couples refused to vacate their rooms until 1pm. One of those wanted us to make him breakfast to go. At freakin' one pm!
BTW, these have always been late arrivals. They don't see you, they don't give a rip about you.
.
See, I hate fighting with people so instead I go passive aggressive and I put a price on inconvenience. Early check-in, late check-out, $kaching$. Cuts don't on the arguments, because they can see the price... you just ask if they want the charge added to their credit card. They will say "what charge" and you reply, the "late check-out fee that we have posted, it's just $50 per hour." And then they have a choice, Starbucks for free, or pain in your ass plus a free dinner tonight at a good restaurant for you.
But I will be honest, staying in my dining room to work, doesn't bother me. Asking me to make a pot of coffee, not going to happen.
 
Why is it these types always rent the cheapest room and want the most? I really don't care if they are rich or poor. It's the entitled attitude that sends me over the edge.
So sorry HJ.
 
this is a tough one.
i understand the 'have to work' comment ... but b&b's aren't coffee shops with areas that folks can linger in.
b&b's aren't hotels with lobbies and staff.
those i've stay in, maybe 50, are homes with private space and guest space intertwined ... staffed by the owners with maybe a chambermaid or two ... sometimes the owners fly solo ... depending on the size of the place and whether or not they could afford help.
in my case, that little window of time between check OUT by 11 and check IN at 3 was only 4 hours to get rooms flipped and fluffed - it was also the only 'down' time i got. if i only had a few guests and they left, i could lock all the doors and lie down or take a shower and wash my hair (a big luxury).
just one guest in the house changes that dynamic. i was up cooking at 6, serving breakfast from 8 to 10, and then doing dishes and cleanup, then cleaning rooms and checking guests out, then cleaning common areas (that includes sweeping the front porch and the front hall). groceries had to be purchased, banking done, laundry done ... phone calls were constant, you have bookkeeping to do, and what about marketing and website maintenance, and social media?? and what about that guest who keeps wanting to change their reservation or is lost on the road? guest check in started at 3 and sometimes they would come early. it was endless and this is seven days a week. seven. with eight rooms i felt chained to the place in a way i don't know how to explain.
i know it sounds harsh when someone complains that a guest wanted to check out and remain in the house, it seems like it's no big deal. but you don't want to leave an unregistered guest in the house and go out. sometimes your dining area is in a place that allows access to places you don't want unsupervised, no longer registered guests, to go. sometimes your insurance even prohibits it.
undersea and others in the planning stages - if you can design an area separate from the main b&b where this kind of overflow (should you choose to accommodate it) can happen, then do it..
The PO's made a lot of deals with guests to let them stay on after check out. The PO's had a full time housekeeper who could be left to mind the store while the innkeepers went out or just went to their apartment to relax.
Those same guests were affronted! that we expected them to take their suitcases to the car and give back the room keys.
Sure, sit in the dining room and have your business meeting. (What??? They never mentioned taking over the dining room for a business meeting for 2 hours AFTER check out.)
Of course they wanted coffee laid on and, oh a few muffins would be nice.
But if we had the keys what bathroom could they use???
You can see how these things snowball. Even tho they probably shared a bathroom at work, they did NOT want to share a bathroom here even just for a couple of hours.
We've been scolded for being 'rude' and 'inhospitable' for asking guests to uphold their end of the bargain.
One family stayed for 2 extra hours, hogged the living room, computer, printer and continued to make coffee the entire time.
Another several couples refused to vacate their rooms until 1pm. One of those wanted us to make him breakfast to go. At freakin' one pm!
BTW, these have always been late arrivals. They don't see you, they don't give a rip about you.
.
See, I hate fighting with people so instead I go passive aggressive and I put a price on inconvenience. Early check-in, late check-out, $kaching$. Cuts don't on the arguments, because they can see the price... you just ask if they want the charge added to their credit card. They will say "what charge" and you reply, the "late check-out fee that we have posted, it's just $50 per hour." And then they have a choice, Starbucks for free, or pain in your ass plus a free dinner tonight at a good restaurant for you.
But I will be honest, staying in my dining room to work, doesn't bother me. Asking me to make a pot of coffee, not going to happen.
.
We have the late checkout fee, also. Because most of the pitas don't check in, they don't know about it, haven't signed for and I don't have their signature on the registration form. They refuse to vacate OR pay.
So, I can legally evict them. The state hotel organization recommends calling the police to escort them off the premises.
The info is now on the note I leave for them for late check ins. Try telling me you didn't see the info when you're in the house.
 
Why is it these types always rent the cheapest room and want the most? I really don't care if they are rich or poor. It's the entitled attitude that sends me over the edge.
So sorry HJ..
Breakfast Diva said:
Why is it these types always rent the cheapest room and want the most? I really don't care if they are rich or poor. It's the entitled attitude that sends me over the edge.
So sorry HJ.
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I love what someone on this forum said once….if they are there before 11am they are guests…after 11am check-out if they are still there they are considered trespassers.
 
What is the reference to 5 star with regard to a guest wanting to stay after checkout time? Sorry, I am out of the loop on this ...
 
Probably because if it was a 5 star guests would expect a lot more and want to walk all over the innkeeper…have high expectations of the place…if you are a 3 star they might have lower expectations of the place.
 
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much)..
undersea said:
I think I differ on this issue. There is a lot of posts here, complaining about what the PITAs do. Dietary needs, what are they thinking, can you believe the nerve...
Guests do not see what is in our heads, but they can read the annoyance.
Innkeeping is about service. If someone is stealing, seriously disruptive, damaging, hurting others, taking serious advantage of you ==> there is certainly call to defend ourselves (nicely).
There is a constant attempt by businesses to "exceed expectations." If it costs you little, it seems better to welcome them to sit for awhile. A few hours before, they were welcome guests - free to roam the building. Then the checkout clock dings, and they are pests? Sounds like a hotel.
Going the extra mile may get that extra referral, return visit, happy online review. Annoying someone may get the opposite.
Studies show that for a positive experience, a customer will tell on average 0.7 others. For a negative experience, they will tell 7.0 others (10x as much).
Undersea, Run that by me again after two years of serving guests so I don't forget...... I can't wait to hear your guest stories too!
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I have lived with people for years, same house. Once i retrieve keys, if they stay a couple hours, i prefer low key.
I do like the "late checkout" above mentioned.
 
What is the reference to 5 star with regard to a guest wanting to stay after checkout time? Sorry, I am out of the loop on this ....
seashanty said:
What is the reference to 5 star with regard to a guest wanting to stay after checkout time? Sorry, I am out of the loop on this ...
I think it's the difference where HJ is between being a 5 star hotel where you pay thru the nose and you can hang out in the fully serviced lobby all day and staying at a modestly priced B&B where you expect the same amenities you didn't want to pay for.
 
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