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So, according to some processors, if you enable chip & pin you can no longer add the tip later. You must get the tip before the card is processed. For those who have dealt with EMV cards for waaaay longer than the US, how is tipping handled in restaurants? I ask because a friend who has the proper machine knew nothing about the deadline tomorrow. She called her processor who told her flat out she would no longer be able to collect tips at her restaurant if they enabled the EMV portion of the terminal. I called BS as Canada and Europe have been doing EMV for years. So, how is it handled?
 
The waiter types in the amount, hands you the terminal, you put your card in, it then asks you to verify the amount, asks if you want to add a tip, ask if the tip is in $ or a % (some machines automatically suggest a certain percentage, you can always change it.) It adds the amounts, asks you to okay it, asks for a pin, completes the transactions. Asks you to remove card and hand the unit back the waiter.
If you are American, the waiter then runs around the restaurant like an idiot trying to find a pen, because it's only needed by Americans, everyone else is chip & pin. And you sign. We are done by then and out the door.
If the restaurant isn't yet equipped with the hand terminals, we have to go to the central cash.... which has happened twice in the last two years, maybe!
(Under the Admin menu, under features, there should be an option called "Tip On Term" and set it to ON. And then "Tip Prompt" and set it to ON.)
PS: These people know SFU.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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The guest called her card service and they said they had no record of any transaction even being attempted much less denied. It went right thru when I hand entered it. Of course.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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The guest called her card service and they said they had no record of any transaction even being attempted much less denied. It went right thru when I hand entered it. Of course.
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Likely the card was defective. Usually if you put it into the machine 3 times and it can't read it, it will authorize swipe. But I would mention to them that they should ask the bank to change the card if it won't work with another EMV reader.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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The guest called her card service and they said they had no record of any transaction even being attempted much less denied. It went right thru when I hand entered it. Of course.
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Likely the card was defective. Usually if you put it into the machine 3 times and it can't read it, it will authorize swipe. But I would mention to them that they should ask the bank to change the card if it won't work with another EMV reader.
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Generic said:
Likely the card was defective. Usually if you put it into the machine 3 times and it can't read it, it will authorize swipe. But I would mention to them that they should ask the bank to change the card if it won't work with another EMV reader.
She had no problem using it to spend $1000 the next day at the big store down the street. So, I need to call my processor with the printout I got. But not tomorrow. ;-)
 
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors.
 
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors..
JimBoone said:
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors.
We are on a lodging set up and our terminal no longer asks for check in-check out. So yeah, you called BS correctly on that one.
 
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors..
JimBoone said:
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors.
We are on a lodging set up and our terminal no longer asks for check in-check out. So yeah, you called BS correctly on that one.
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Morticia said:
JimBoone said:
Seems to be a lot of BS out there, our processor says they do not yet have an EMV program for lodging and as a lodging property we "must" be on the lodging program. The so called lodging program is set up for check in and check out as you would do at a large hotel, our guests generally pay on arrival and leave the key when they depart, but I'm lodging so I'm not allowed to just have a standard terminal. Communication, much less straight answers, is limited and this is one of the larger processors.
We are on a lodging set up and our terminal no longer asks for check in-check out. So yeah, you called BS correctly on that one.
When we used the traditional processors (now with Square) we originally was set up for check-in/out lodging format. I called and discussed that we do things differently and they quickly changed our set up - and our rates went down slightly! just sayin'...........
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
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If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
The guest called her card service and they said they had no record of any transaction even being attempted much less denied. It went right thru when I hand entered it. Of course.
.
Likely the card was defective. Usually if you put it into the machine 3 times and it can't read it, it will authorize swipe. But I would mention to them that they should ask the bank to change the card if it won't work with another EMV reader.
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Generic said:
Likely the card was defective. Usually if you put it into the machine 3 times and it can't read it, it will authorize swipe. But I would mention to them that they should ask the bank to change the card if it won't work with another EMV reader.
She had no problem using it to spend $1000 the next day at the big store down the street. So, I need to call my processor with the printout I got. But not tomorrow. ;-)
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I have a feeling a lot of processors are going to be up a creek without a paddle. Especially those that don't have operations here, where we did this transition almost completely invisible to the client.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
.
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
.
Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
.
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
.
Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
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I don't know about her system, but around here you are presented with a screen that says $ or %. If you push $ it then lets you put in an amount. If you push % it usually offers 3 rates, which I think are programmed plus a your own selection. In most restaurants around here it comes up with 15%, 20% or 25%, but that's because the standard around here is actually 15% (they earn minimum wage plus tips.) But you can certainly override the amount at any point.
Well, she is going to have to get with the technology.... because it's coming. Around here almost 100% of restaurants are bluetooth terminal to the customer. There are a few which are centralized cash (you can still tip). But there is no such thing anymore as walking off with the clients card.
Told you that EMV will change things. First thing it changed around here was that we have to press 1 to start a transaction to indicate it's a sale. We are so used to showing restaurants that we are paying by card, so they bring the terminal.... that if you asked to take my card I would refuse.... I assume anyone taking my card is trying to steal or clone it. It NEVER leaves my eyesight, NEVER!
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
.
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
.
Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
.
I don't know about her system, but around here you are presented with a screen that says $ or %. If you push $ it then lets you put in an amount. If you push % it usually offers 3 rates, which I think are programmed plus a your own selection. In most restaurants around here it comes up with 15%, 20% or 25%, but that's because the standard around here is actually 15% (they earn minimum wage plus tips.) But you can certainly override the amount at any point.
Well, she is going to have to get with the technology.... because it's coming. Around here almost 100% of restaurants are bluetooth terminal to the customer. There are a few which are centralized cash (you can still tip). But there is no such thing anymore as walking off with the clients card.
Told you that EMV will change things. First thing it changed around here was that we have to press 1 to start a transaction to indicate it's a sale. We are so used to showing restaurants that we are paying by card, so they bring the terminal.... that if you asked to take my card I would refuse.... I assume anyone taking my card is trying to steal or clone it. It NEVER leaves my eyesight, NEVER!
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At this point, fewer than 50% of terminals are even set up with the new technology. If the terminal is even capable of being programmed. No one thinks this is going to take over within even the next 3 years.
How many times has it been brought up and I've heard: what's that? (As in my friend yesterday who had no idea what I was talking about.)
Well, her processor has her convinced she won't get big tips and it's too much work to run back and forth and she doesn't have wireless so that's it. She's staying with what she has. As I said, I haven't seen tableside payment anywhere in this country and that's across 6-7 states.
Today at the grocery store, with a chipped card, it was still swiped. And our cards don't have pins. So it's all the same thing!
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
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Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
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If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
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Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
.
I don't know about her system, but around here you are presented with a screen that says $ or %. If you push $ it then lets you put in an amount. If you push % it usually offers 3 rates, which I think are programmed plus a your own selection. In most restaurants around here it comes up with 15%, 20% or 25%, but that's because the standard around here is actually 15% (they earn minimum wage plus tips.) But you can certainly override the amount at any point.
Well, she is going to have to get with the technology.... because it's coming. Around here almost 100% of restaurants are bluetooth terminal to the customer. There are a few which are centralized cash (you can still tip). But there is no such thing anymore as walking off with the clients card.
Told you that EMV will change things. First thing it changed around here was that we have to press 1 to start a transaction to indicate it's a sale. We are so used to showing restaurants that we are paying by card, so they bring the terminal.... that if you asked to take my card I would refuse.... I assume anyone taking my card is trying to steal or clone it. It NEVER leaves my eyesight, NEVER!
.
At this point, fewer than 50% of terminals are even set up with the new technology. If the terminal is even capable of being programmed. No one thinks this is going to take over within even the next 3 years.
How many times has it been brought up and I've heard: what's that? (As in my friend yesterday who had no idea what I was talking about.)
Well, her processor has her convinced she won't get big tips and it's too much work to run back and forth and she doesn't have wireless so that's it. She's staying with what she has. As I said, I haven't seen tableside payment anywhere in this country and that's across 6-7 states.
Today at the grocery store, with a chipped card, it was still swiped. And our cards don't have pins. So it's all the same thing!
.
Well, when she gets ripped off, she automatically loses (I assume the bank didn't tell her this). But there will be a time where she will be shut out of the system entirely. And one other thing that most people don't realize... data compromise liability shift as well. So if you aren't able to process with EMV and your data is compromised, you are responsible for the losses.
I haven't been on your side of the border since early this year, but only one store required my chip card...would not allow swipe on my card at all.
Around here, just to tell you what it's going to be like, there is no way to pay except by chip for some transactions... machines won't even read magnetic stripe. In Europe, the banks aren't required to have magnetic stripe readers anymore and the banks don't have to have a magnetic stripe on the card. In one department store in Spain, the clerks had to manually enter the card number to process a charge because they don't have stripe readers anymore.
In the last year I have signed for just one transaction. Crate & Barrel. And the girl apologized for being in the stone age because of head office. We had a few businesses in the beginning refuse to change... between the clients always asking why they are in the stone age and the processors asking them if they are keeping data, data security one what they are keeping and why they are keeping data they aren't supposed to.... they switched. Businesses are NOT supposed to be keeping your CC number on file and they aren't supposed to be following your purchases by your CC number and that's why they were trying to keep the old system.
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
.
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
.
Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
.
I don't know about her system, but around here you are presented with a screen that says $ or %. If you push $ it then lets you put in an amount. If you push % it usually offers 3 rates, which I think are programmed plus a your own selection. In most restaurants around here it comes up with 15%, 20% or 25%, but that's because the standard around here is actually 15% (they earn minimum wage plus tips.) But you can certainly override the amount at any point.
Well, she is going to have to get with the technology.... because it's coming. Around here almost 100% of restaurants are bluetooth terminal to the customer. There are a few which are centralized cash (you can still tip). But there is no such thing anymore as walking off with the clients card.
Told you that EMV will change things. First thing it changed around here was that we have to press 1 to start a transaction to indicate it's a sale. We are so used to showing restaurants that we are paying by card, so they bring the terminal.... that if you asked to take my card I would refuse.... I assume anyone taking my card is trying to steal or clone it. It NEVER leaves my eyesight, NEVER!
.
At this point, fewer than 50% of terminals are even set up with the new technology. If the terminal is even capable of being programmed. No one thinks this is going to take over within even the next 3 years.
How many times has it been brought up and I've heard: what's that? (As in my friend yesterday who had no idea what I was talking about.)
Well, her processor has her convinced she won't get big tips and it's too much work to run back and forth and she doesn't have wireless so that's it. She's staying with what she has. As I said, I haven't seen tableside payment anywhere in this country and that's across 6-7 states.
Today at the grocery store, with a chipped card, it was still swiped. And our cards don't have pins. So it's all the same thing!
.
Well, when she gets ripped off, she automatically loses (I assume the bank didn't tell her this). But there will be a time where she will be shut out of the system entirely. And one other thing that most people don't realize... data compromise liability shift as well. So if you aren't able to process with EMV and your data is compromised, you are responsible for the losses.
I haven't been on your side of the border since early this year, but only one store required my chip card...would not allow swipe on my card at all.
Around here, just to tell you what it's going to be like, there is no way to pay except by chip for some transactions... machines won't even read magnetic stripe. In Europe, the banks aren't required to have magnetic stripe readers anymore and the banks don't have to have a magnetic stripe on the card. In one department store in Spain, the clerks had to manually enter the card number to process a charge because they don't have stripe readers anymore.
In the last year I have signed for just one transaction. Crate & Barrel. And the girl apologized for being in the stone age because of head office. We had a few businesses in the beginning refuse to change... between the clients always asking why they are in the stone age and the processors asking them if they are keeping data, data security one what they are keeping and why they are keeping data they aren't supposed to.... they switched. Businesses are NOT supposed to be keeping your CC number on file and they aren't supposed to be following your purchases by your CC number and that's why they were trying to keep the old system.
.
I think every online etailer keeps your card on file. And big brother tracks everything.
The way they explained it after I told her she'd be responsible for fraud was this - do you really think your clientele will use bad credit cards?
Then they asked if she had gotten credit card fraud insurance from her business insurance company and as she had they said there was nothing to worry about.
I will pass along the links to her but I'm not the person she believes when it comes to money. She still doesn't have health care because she can't find it cheap enough. When she was in an accident and out of work for a month? She sued the person who caused the accident and got everything paid for. See, she doesn't need to pay for health insurance!
 
Thanks, I'll tell her. Actually, I already DID tell her she was being BS'd by her processor. Scaring her into thinking she can't get tips. And then asking her if her clientele are REALLY going to use a stolen card.
She said they told her the program was developed in Europe where they don't tip so the tip function doesn't work. (I asked about Canada.) Her processor said the state restaurant association is in an uproar because they can't switch to EMV because no one knows how to do tipping. Again BS.
But, yes, the only chipped cards that have asked for a pin are foreign. And the machine refused a debit card with a chip. And the card company told the guest my machine wasn't set up for EMV..
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
When I get a refusal for a card, I ask the client if they want me to call for authorization. It costs a bit more, but you call and tell them that it was denied but the client wants voice authorization. They usually call that bank directly so that bank can be the one who does the denial and they are unable to claim it was you.
Of course, that being said, I have a client who on a review tried to blame me because their AMEX card got denied by Square.
.
Generic said:
Well, any processor who can't process EMV is supposed to be cut off by MC/Visa as of tomorrow. So, ask her if they are going to be cut off, because they can't properly process EMV... and if so, then you assume your contract is null and you can just call up another processor.
I can't find that anywhere. Her processor CAN do EMV, they're just telling her they can't do it for restaurants. So, technically, they are up-to-date, but she isn't and they talked her out of the update by saying how hard it would be to have to keep running back and forth to the tables. Rather than set up the tip function like you said and have everyone just go to the front to pay. (Her machine is not wireless.)
My machine isn't wireless but the guest is standing right there, I don't walk off with the card. I step away so they can do the pin in private.
.
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
.
Generic said:
If she is a restaurant then she NEEDS a bluetooth unit, unless they are centralized cash. It's not even a choice. She needs a terminal like the iWL220. The waiter takes it with them to the client.
So, if she doesn't have such a terminal, the problem is actually her. You can't do restaurant on a central terminal anymore. You aren't supposed to remove the card from client sight anymore... EVER!
Sorry, we're in the dark ages here and no one in this town has mobile terminals. They are ALL central and usually at the bar. I've never seen a mobile terminal. Not here, not in Vegas, nowhere we traveled this spring or last fall.
As it turns out, I sent info and she told me if the program only allows up to 20% tips she's not doing it all. Not going to give up the random 25% tip. So, I did my part.
.
I don't know about her system, but around here you are presented with a screen that says $ or %. If you push $ it then lets you put in an amount. If you push % it usually offers 3 rates, which I think are programmed plus a your own selection. In most restaurants around here it comes up with 15%, 20% or 25%, but that's because the standard around here is actually 15% (they earn minimum wage plus tips.) But you can certainly override the amount at any point.
Well, she is going to have to get with the technology.... because it's coming. Around here almost 100% of restaurants are bluetooth terminal to the customer. There are a few which are centralized cash (you can still tip). But there is no such thing anymore as walking off with the clients card.
Told you that EMV will change things. First thing it changed around here was that we have to press 1 to start a transaction to indicate it's a sale. We are so used to showing restaurants that we are paying by card, so they bring the terminal.... that if you asked to take my card I would refuse.... I assume anyone taking my card is trying to steal or clone it. It NEVER leaves my eyesight, NEVER!
.
At this point, fewer than 50% of terminals are even set up with the new technology. If the terminal is even capable of being programmed. No one thinks this is going to take over within even the next 3 years.
How many times has it been brought up and I've heard: what's that? (As in my friend yesterday who had no idea what I was talking about.)
Well, her processor has her convinced she won't get big tips and it's too much work to run back and forth and she doesn't have wireless so that's it. She's staying with what she has. As I said, I haven't seen tableside payment anywhere in this country and that's across 6-7 states.
Today at the grocery store, with a chipped card, it was still swiped. And our cards don't have pins. So it's all the same thing!
.
Well, when she gets ripped off, she automatically loses (I assume the bank didn't tell her this). But there will be a time where she will be shut out of the system entirely. And one other thing that most people don't realize... data compromise liability shift as well. So if you aren't able to process with EMV and your data is compromised, you are responsible for the losses.
I haven't been on your side of the border since early this year, but only one store required my chip card...would not allow swipe on my card at all.
Around here, just to tell you what it's going to be like, there is no way to pay except by chip for some transactions... machines won't even read magnetic stripe. In Europe, the banks aren't required to have magnetic stripe readers anymore and the banks don't have to have a magnetic stripe on the card. In one department store in Spain, the clerks had to manually enter the card number to process a charge because they don't have stripe readers anymore.
In the last year I have signed for just one transaction. Crate & Barrel. And the girl apologized for being in the stone age because of head office. We had a few businesses in the beginning refuse to change... between the clients always asking why they are in the stone age and the processors asking them if they are keeping data, data security one what they are keeping and why they are keeping data they aren't supposed to.... they switched. Businesses are NOT supposed to be keeping your CC number on file and they aren't supposed to be following your purchases by your CC number and that's why they were trying to keep the old system.
.
I think every online etailer keeps your card on file. And big brother tracks everything.
The way they explained it after I told her she'd be responsible for fraud was this - do you really think your clientele will use bad credit cards?
Then they asked if she had gotten credit card fraud insurance from her business insurance company and as she had they said there was nothing to worry about.
I will pass along the links to her but I'm not the person she believes when it comes to money. She still doesn't have health care because she can't find it cheap enough. When she was in an accident and out of work for a month? She sued the person who caused the accident and got everything paid for. See, she doesn't need to pay for health insurance!
.
She better not come here, because you can't sue for medical expenses here and of course if you lose, you pay EVERYONE'S lawyer fees plus court costs.
The retailers will soon not be able to do it. They used to slide your card through the cash register, can't do that here. They only get the last 4 digits... not even expiration date. Things are going to start changing. Some slowly, some faster.
I thought you were required to have health insurance if you had a business. Wasn't that the point of the reform a few years ago, to make it affordable for people?
She can stick her head in the ground like an ostrich for a short while, but in the long run, both she, her processor and her bank better get things in order because one day she may find out that she can't process anymore.
(The reason she's likely upset is that Visa doesn't allow you to adjust totals beyond 20%, you have to rerun the card. But with the handheld terminals that's not a problem, you can put any percent you want. In fact, if she sets the default at 20% then her servers will likely make more money, not less. But stubborn people all eventually get a kick in the ass.... see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_lifecycle
 
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