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what is a good estimate for a bathroom re-do?
We are gutting and remaking a bathroom. Moving the toilet. No additional space or wall movement. We are purchasing the shower, sink and flooring ourselves. I think his estimate is high. Any ballpark estimates?
 
You're hiring out the work? The plumbing is in place but moving toilet? Vent? Drains?
Id guess $5k for someone else to do all the work. But I'm often low on my estimates.
Look on home advisor if you don't have someone to work with.
 
Morticia said:
You're hiring out the work? The plumbing is in place but moving toilet? Vent? Drains?
Id guess $5k for someone else to do all the work. But I'm often low on my estimates.
Look on home advisor if you don't have someone to work with..
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Right. He did suggest moving some heat pipes to get rid of the baseboard. I liked that idea. But the sink and shower will remain where they are.
 
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?
 
Harborfields said:
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?.
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We aren't intending new drywall, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were needed. Toilet moving about 2 feet. Room is on the third floor above another guest room.
Sink and cabinet are being replaced. Also mirror, light fixture, heat pipes, floor. Venting and window are already new.
 
Harborfields said:
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?.
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Gutting, to me, meant out to the studs.
 
Morticia said:
Harborfields said:
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?.
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Gutting, to me, meant out to the studs.
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Morticia said:
Gutting, to me, meant out to the studs.
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We are removing the sink, shower, toilet, floors, lights, heat. It will likely mean new walls and some new plumbing and electrical.
 
TheBeachHouse said:
Harborfields said:
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?.
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We aren't intending new drywall, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were needed. Toilet moving about 2 feet. Room is on the third floor above another guest room.
Sink and cabinet are being replaced. Also mirror, light fixture, heat pipes, floor. Venting and window are already new.
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See to me I would rather source my own stuff - found a ton of bargains on ebay and by generally shopping around and in sales which plumbers won't do - ie they go to their regular shops. Much more work but can be $1000's in savings.
 
TheBeachHouse said:
Harborfields said:
How far are you moving the toilet? just an inch or three, or to the other side of the room? In either case it will require some degree of opening up the sub-floor, or tearing down and redoing (at least part of) the ceiling of the room below. If additional vent piping is needed, then it will require opening up and re-doing the ceiling (or the floor of the room above), as well as the walls. What floor is this bathroom on? Are the rooms above or below it finished space, or unfinished basement or unfinished attic?
When you say "gutting" do you mean down to the studs, and thus needing new drywall, or are you leaving the existing wall and ceiling finishes in place (and just re-painting, -papering, or -tiling them)?
Any windows or doors being replaced? Cabinetry (sink vanity)?
Is there electrical work involved? light fixtures? GFCI protected outlets?.
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We aren't intending new drywall, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were needed. Toilet moving about 2 feet. Room is on the third floor above another guest room.
Sink and cabinet are being replaced. Also mirror, light fixture, heat pipes, floor. Venting and window are already new.
.
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See to me I would rather source my own stuff - found a ton of bargains on ebay and by generally shopping around and in sales which plumbers won't do - ie they go to their regular shops. Much more work but can be $1000's in savings.
 
The vent piping I am talking about is venting of the plumbing drain lines, not ventilation of the bathroom itself. So moving the toilet 2 feet laterally one way or the other will probably require opening up the wall behind the toilet as well as the floor in order to run a plumbing vent pipe. Of course if this is an old bathroom, it might not have had proper vent piping when it was built, so the new plumbing work you are doing now requires it to be brought up to current code (requiring vent piping for all three drains!).
There is also the problem of the floor joists -- which way they are running -- If you are moving the toilet in a direction parallel to the direction the joists run, that is probably not much of a problem; if your drain pipe from the new location has to cross the joists to get back to the main stack, that may require some re-structuring of the floor.
 
Harborfields said:
The vent piping I am talking about is venting of the plumbing drain lines, not ventilation of the bathroom itself. So moving the toilet 2 feet laterally one way or the other will probably require opening up the wall behind the toilet as well as the floor in order to run a plumbing vent pipe. Of course if this is an old bathroom, it might not have had proper vent piping when it was built, so the new plumbing work you are doing now requires it to be brought up to current code (requiring vent piping for all three drains!).
There is also the problem of the floor joists -- which way they are running -- If you are moving the toilet in a direction parallel to the direction the joists run, that is probably not much of a problem; if your drain pipe from the new location has to cross the joists to get back to the main stack, that may require some re-structuring of the floor..
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Yes. All of that!
 
Harborfields said:
The vent piping I am talking about is venting of the plumbing drain lines, not ventilation of the bathroom itself. So moving the toilet 2 feet laterally one way or the other will probably require opening up the wall behind the toilet as well as the floor in order to run a plumbing vent pipe. Of course if this is an old bathroom, it might not have had proper vent piping when it was built, so the new plumbing work you are doing now requires it to be brought up to current code (requiring vent piping for all three drains!).
There is also the problem of the floor joists -- which way they are running -- If you are moving the toilet in a direction parallel to the direction the joists run, that is probably not much of a problem; if your drain pipe from the new location has to cross the joists to get back to the main stack, that may require some re-structuring of the floor..
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Agreed.
A lot of planning goes into plumbing in order for everything to go down smoothly
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, not an easy task and may require more plumbing than you think to get the new location to tie into the old.
Other issues that could come into play is the age of the house. If existing electrical or plumbing is outdated you may want to make sure the work being done does not require any other updates to be in code.
I bring this up because a neighbor (home built in early '80's) just added a small addition to their home, all of the addition was added to the new code. Upon final inspection by the county inspector, they were informed that the entire house had to be updated to have hard wired smoke detectors. While it is a good idea, having it be mandatory was beyond the scope of the project budget.
 
Harborfields said:
The vent piping I am talking about is venting of the plumbing drain lines, not ventilation of the bathroom itself. So moving the toilet 2 feet laterally one way or the other will probably require opening up the wall behind the toilet as well as the floor in order to run a plumbing vent pipe. Of course if this is an old bathroom, it might not have had proper vent piping when it was built, so the new plumbing work you are doing now requires it to be brought up to current code (requiring vent piping for all three drains!).
There is also the problem of the floor joists -- which way they are running -- If you are moving the toilet in a direction parallel to the direction the joists run, that is probably not much of a problem; if your drain pipe from the new location has to cross the joists to get back to the main stack, that may require some re-structuring of the floor..
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Toilets are a nightmare to move - usually a good reason they are where they are. I won't move one unless its an absolute necessity.
 
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
 
Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?.
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Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
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good advice. we've had comments that the shower in this room is 'claustrophobic.' And it is. We decided to replace it with one that isn't so close and dark. What we don't HAVE to do, is move the toilet. But it is in such a stupid place. It offends my design sensibility. :)
But again, your point is well made. Maybe the toilet can sit where it is and we just do the shower and sink upgrade.
(We have already replaced 4 of the 6 sinks in the house. They were all so old and tired that they made the rooms look dirty. Of the two left, one is a full on antique (marble) and will stay and the other is this one. Our most expensive room.)
 
TheBeachHouse said:
Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?.
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Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
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good advice. we've had comments that the shower in this room is 'claustrophobic.' And it is. We decided to replace it with one that isn't so close and dark. What we don't HAVE to do, is move the toilet. But it is in such a stupid place. It offends my design sensibility. :)
But again, your point is well made. Maybe the toilet can sit where it is and we just do the shower and sink upgrade.
(We have already replaced 4 of the 6 sinks in the house. They were all so old and tired that they made the rooms look dirty. Of the two left, one is a full on antique (marble) and will stay and the other is this one. Our most expensive room.)
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We've done all the sinks we could as well. The ones we had were low end motel grade. There is one left that will require relocation which means taking down a wall, moving the plumbing, possibly moving the toilet and putting in a whole new floor. Luckily it's on the first floor so we can get at the pipes from the basement.
We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
 
TheBeachHouse said:
Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?.
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Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
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good advice. we've had comments that the shower in this room is 'claustrophobic.' And it is. We decided to replace it with one that isn't so close and dark. What we don't HAVE to do, is move the toilet. But it is in such a stupid place. It offends my design sensibility. :)
But again, your point is well made. Maybe the toilet can sit where it is and we just do the shower and sink upgrade.
(We have already replaced 4 of the 6 sinks in the house. They were all so old and tired that they made the rooms look dirty. Of the two left, one is a full on antique (marble) and will stay and the other is this one. Our most expensive room.)
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I have lights in my showers - ceilings are so high that I call the plumber to change the light bulb. We have a 60 inch shower in the shared bath to replace the claw-foot tub and a 48 inch in the created ensuite where the claw-foot now resides.
 
Morticia said:
TheBeachHouse said:
Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?.
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Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
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good advice. we've had comments that the shower in this room is 'claustrophobic.' And it is. We decided to replace it with one that isn't so close and dark. What we don't HAVE to do, is move the toilet. But it is in such a stupid place. It offends my design sensibility. :)
But again, your point is well made. Maybe the toilet can sit where it is and we just do the shower and sink upgrade.
(We have already replaced 4 of the 6 sinks in the house. They were all so old and tired that they made the rooms look dirty. Of the two left, one is a full on antique (marble) and will stay and the other is this one. Our most expensive room.)
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We've done all the sinks we could as well. The ones we had were low end motel grade. There is one left that will require relocation which means taking down a wall, moving the plumbing, possibly moving the toilet and putting in a whole new floor. Luckily it's on the first floor so we can get at the pipes from the basement.
We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
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We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
To hide the body?
 
gillumhouse said:
Morticia said:
TheBeachHouse said:
Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?.
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Breakfast Diva said:
I would rethink if it's worth sinking (pun intended) all that money into a bathroom that's in a guest room which already has a high occupancy rate. Unless you're going to make it into a spa bathroom or add on sq ft. the return on your investment will take many years to recover. Personally, I would do an update, but keep it within just a few thousand dollars. If it's not going to put more heads in beds I would just do a refresh rather than a redo.
Will this reno make the room rent more often? Do you have pictures of bathrooms on your website?
Click to expand...
good advice. we've had comments that the shower in this room is 'claustrophobic.' And it is. We decided to replace it with one that isn't so close and dark. What we don't HAVE to do, is move the toilet. But it is in such a stupid place. It offends my design sensibility. :)
But again, your point is well made. Maybe the toilet can sit where it is and we just do the shower and sink upgrade.
(We have already replaced 4 of the 6 sinks in the house. They were all so old and tired that they made the rooms look dirty. Of the two left, one is a full on antique (marble) and will stay and the other is this one. Our most expensive room.)
.
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We've done all the sinks we could as well. The ones we had were low end motel grade. There is one left that will require relocation which means taking down a wall, moving the plumbing, possibly moving the toilet and putting in a whole new floor. Luckily it's on the first floor so we can get at the pipes from the basement.
We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
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We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
To hide the body?
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gillumhouse said:
We don't know why there is a false wall but will find out this winter!
To hide the body?
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It's been in there for almost 30 years at this point!
 

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