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Governor shut down all non-essential lodging starting this weekend. IE - no tourists. Anyone traveling into the state has to self-quarantine for 14 days. 

 We had already closed off our calendar a couple of weeks ago. All of our May guests are slowly canceling. Looks like our entire income this spring will be in cancellation fees. Eye-wink Good thing we finished all our major renovations years ago.

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Yes, they do. The 75% threshold wasn't initially mentioned.

Also, on EIDL they built a lot of false hopes by waiving the "initial $10,000 loan" verbiage around.

It's a moving target, so keep an eye out for changes. Also, I've already started a spreadsheet to track where I've spent money on payroll, utilities and interest (make sure you have an amortization schedule that shows you how much of your monthly payment is interest and principal. (only the interest is allowed for PPP funds).

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PhineasSwann wrote:

...and interest (make sure you have an amortization schedule that shows you how much of your monthly payment is interest and principal. (only the interest is allowed for PPP funds).

Didn't know that! Thanks! That right there repaid the extremely high cost of using this forum Eye-wink

It's wonderful that all that info is available via online banking. So much easier than the days you had to make a trip to the bank for info like that.

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I actually have guests tonight. They called from the road asking if I had a room tonight.  They arrived a couple hours later. The only wrinkle is she is vegan (I thought she was veggie but thankfully asked on arrival). So it is my baked oatmeal in the morning but her hubs is not vegan - he asked for the maple venison sausage. Did a quick thaw on the venison while I roasted the Costa Rica coffee he chose. Picked my sage and minced it so the sausage is in the fridge "melding" the flavors. Now to find a peanut butter muffin recipe so I can make vegan muffins in the morning. Can't make my usual banana peanut butter muffins because I do not have ripe bananas - was planning scones.

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Nice to have a "normal life" post for a change!

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I ended up making my cranberry triple sec muffins with peanut butter (no cranberries). They liked them. She says they are paying cash!!! Yea! He loved the sausage, they almost finished off the oatmeal. Went for a bike ride and are now getting ready to leave. They even gave me a tip!!!

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My inn's next door neighbor said ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) agents in uniform were outside my inn today! She was sitting on her front porch (we're on a downtown street so her building shares a common wall with mine) sipping wine, so she was afraid they were there about her drinking in public.

But no, they were there to make sure my inn is following the governor's directive to only rent to the list of allowed people. She assured them that I am, and they went away happy.

Can't imagine what this has to do with ATF!!!??? But glad they're really taking this seriously and checking up on things.

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BREAKING NEWS

For those of you who applied for an EIDL loan, the SBA has announced tonight it's changing the rules. For those of you who heard about a $10k upfront on the loan to get you through, that's now been changed. 

Applicants can only get $1k for each employee they had on staff on March 30, 2020. So if you just had 2 employees, that's $2,000. 

This administration would screw up a 1-car funeral. 

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PhineasSwann wrote:

For those of you who applied for an EIDL loan, the SBA has announced tonight it's changing the rules. For those of you who heard about a $10k upfront on the loan to get you through, that's now been changed. 

Applicants can only get $1k for each employee they had on staff on March 30, 2020. So if you just had 2 employees, that's $2,000.

Yes I got that too. Really bad, because this isn't just payroll money. It's money to cover utilities, mortgages, and other ongoing business expenses.

Time after time, they offer something, then they take it away. It's the difference between the congress, who wrote the law to prop up the national economy, and bureaucrats who administer it, bureaucrats who are used to doing "business as usual." This is not the time for business as usual!

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FYI you can use your PPP loan proceeds for utilities and mortgage interest or rent as well. The trick is that in order to get forgiveness on the loan, you can only use 25% for them -- 75% or more has to go to payroll.

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PhineasSwann wrote:

FYI you can use your PPP loan proceeds for utilities and mortgage interest or rent as well. The trick is that in order to get forgiveness on the loan, you can only use 25% for them -- 75% or more has to go to payroll.

Yes, it seems wonderful, and very helpful. But they've burned me before so I'll keep an eye on things, because they like to change the rules!

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Yes, it seems wonderful, and very helpful. But they've burned me before so I'll keep an eye on things, because they like to change the rules! 

One reason I decided in the beginning to NOT apply for anything. Government has always spoken with fork-ed tongue - just ask Tonto and Sitting Bull.

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One reason I decided in the beginning to NOT apply for anything.

Fine. More for the rest of us! Eye-wink

The money will all be spent. If you don't take what's there for you, someone else will benefit from it.

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I know, that is why I left it. Someone was going to really NEED it and I saw that I can manage.

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Well. That basically means we aren’t eligible for any help as we have only one PT employee who doesn’t start working until we have guests.

 If anyone knows of any other options, we’d be happy to try them! PPP doesn’t work because of that same PT employee not being around. 

Honestly, I didn’t think any of the programs were for super small businesses like ours. Tough to actually realize it.

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Morticia wrote:

Well. That basically means we aren’t eligible for any help as we have only one PT employee who doesn’t start working until we have guests.

 If anyone knows of any other options, we’d be happy to try them! PPP doesn’t work because of that same PT employee not being around. 

Honestly, I didn’t think any of the programs were for super small businesses like ours. Tough to actually realize it.

Actually you can get PPP assistance!!!!!

Just got word that our PPP Loan was approved via our local bank!!  We are Sole Proprietors No Employees, so PPP Loan is based upon our Schedule C Net Income + Mortgage Interest/12 X 2.5.  Forgivable because Net Income subs for Employee income.

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I do not know the TOTAL particulars, but a honcho from WV WorkForce was just on the radio (only half listened cuz I ain't dipping) and he said the unemployment claims for self-employed, contractors, etc  should be ready to be taken by the end of the week or beginning of next week. Check with your State unemployment office for your State's rules. 

Headline from Chicago Sun-Times article: Illinois self-employed, gig workers will get jobless benefits starting May 11

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We are in the same situation.  You may know about it but there is a Maine Tourism Relief Fund.  Applications open tomorrow (4/15).  https://www.mainetourism.com/maine-tourism-relief-fund/

It's not much and may have too many apply so it would be a lottery for who gets it.  

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Maine has like 759 cases  Massachusetts has 25000

 

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That sign sure should help with out-of-state people fleeing to Maine!

In the current situation, Maine is lucky to be out on the fringe, not on the way to any other state, so don't have people just passing through.

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Vermont's governor today backed off slightly on his initial draconian edict on banning ALL future reservations. Inns can now take reservations for after June 15, with the understanding that if the situation has not improved by then, they may have to cancel them. 

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PhineasSwann wrote:

Vermont's governor today backed off slightly on his initial draconian edict on banning ALL future reservations. Inns can now take reservations for after June 15, with the understanding that if the situation has not improved by then, they may have to cancel them. 

 I’m not sure even that is going to help here now that big festivals are canceling. we were looking forward to moving on in July. I’ve given up on May. June is looking bad as well. So, the summer festivals were where my hopes were.

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...the summer festivals were where my hopes were.

Even if the "government" tells people to go back to business as usual, I don't think they're going to do it. Not for a long time. Like, a year. Fear is very powerful.

I'm not pinning any hopes on 3 months, or 6. I heard a good analogy today. It's like a patient being put into an induced coma. Our world is on pause for a year. But we still need to pay the mortgage, food and utility bills. Those who cannot do that are in big trouble. Sad

I assume the treasury is printing a lot of money right now. Inflation may be coming. Maybe I'll FINALLY get to raise my rates!

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And people will be being VERY careful with money for quite a while. And vacations will be the first to go as part of the not necessary column. Travel and get-away was ALWAYS important to me, but we did a lot of camping and visiting friends & family when money was tight. I think you are right. WE are screwed.

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I was originally going by info on lodging restrictions that I saw in the state news media, and they were very restrictive indeed. But I just got a notice from the state Dept. of Tourism that clarifies things and opens up a lot more opportunity for people to stay with me, so you might double-check with your own state to get the exact info regarding lodging restrictions.

We are currently allowed to accept reservations from people in any of the following categories:

  • All residents of Arkansas are welcome to make a reservation. (They discourage pleasure travel but don't currently prohibit it.)
  • Out-of-state residents who are traveling through Arkansas for work-related reasons are welcome.
  • Out-of-state residents who are in any of the following categories are welcome:
  • Persons away from their home due to work or work-related travel
  • Healthcare professionals
  • First responders
  • Law enforcement
  • State or Federal employees on official business
  • National Guard Members on active duty
  • Airline crew members
  • Patients of hospitals and their families
  • Journalists
  • Persons unable to return to their home due to COVID-19 travel restrictions
  • Arkansas citizens unable to return to their home due to exigent circumstances, such as fire, flood, tornado, or other disaster
  • Persons in need of shelter due to domestic violence or homelessness
  • Employees of hotels, motels, or other service providers/contractors of a hotel or motel
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In our state, inns & B&Bs were complying with the mandatory shutdown and ban on taking future reservations, but unlicensed short-term rentals weren't. 

I sent an email to our attorney general Monday pointing this out, and sending him a link of the over 400 AirBnBs currently available for rent in the state, flaunting the governor's executive order. 

In less than 12 hours, his office contacted both AirBnB and VRBO, threatened them, and they hurriedly modified every listing in the state showing it was unavailable for rent. 

Squeak those wheels, folks, and you'll force everyone to play by the same rules.

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In our state, inns & B&Bs were complying with the mandatory shutdown and ban on taking future reservations, but unlicensed short-term rentals weren't. 

I sent an email to our attorney general Monday pointing this out, and sending him a link of the over 400 AirBnBs currently available for rent in the state, flaunting the governor's executive order. 

In less than 12 hours, his office contacted both AirBnB and VRBO, threatened them, and they hurriedly modified every listing in the state showing it was unavailable for rent. 

Squeak those wheels, folks, and you'll force everyone to play by the same rules.

Well done!  Kudos!

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Way to go!!

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gillumhouse wrote:

Way to go!!

Ditto! We all have a little time on our hands for a while, so might as well take care of things like this!

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Has anyone else looked at the math on this? I did the math this morning.

US Population: 327 million
Cases in the last month: 370,000

So after all the time and work and worry and money put in to this so far, that leaves 326.6 million Americans who still must catch it and develop immunity. (Hoping/assuming recovered people have immunity.)

How long would it take at the current rate of 400,000 new cases/month, to get our population immune? I calculate it would take 68 years, at this rate, for us all to catch it and develop immunity. So that route is impossible.

We're going to HAVE to slowly open things back up, while maintaining distancing and hand washing and all, until they get a vaccine, in 12-18 months. It's the people in the cities who will really be hurting. Hard for them to run subways and buses and keep people 6' apart.

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I looked at the numbers a different way.   If this is as easily spread as they indicated (one person would give it to two)  It would take about 28 days to spread to everyone.   Even if it took 2 days to transmit, still if the virus was showing up early January, by the time all the social distancing started in March most everyone should have been exposed.

 

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To go with your numbers - as of Noon today (4-7-2020) -my State of 1.8 million people has 412 confirmed cases with 4 deaths (all had other contribution complications). 

For this, we have killed our economy and now, I have been told I have to move my Municipal Election from June 2 to June 30. Sigh!

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There are still states/counties/cities opting out of quarantine. You have to get your reps involved. Tell them how you feel!

If there is not an appreciable death or infection rate your state should reopen ASAP. Other states are not stopping commerce.

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Morticia wrote:

There are still states/counties/cities opting out of quarantine. You have to get your reps involved. Tell them how you feel!

If there is not an appreciable death or infection rate your state should reopen ASAP. Other states are not stopping commerce.

I have spent the day on the phone and e-mail with Municipal League, Secretary of State's office, and my City Manager (and gave a heads-up to our local newspaper). It helps that I have personal relationships with the SBA person (high up on the food chain in WV) for info for the B & Bs and the Exec Director of Municipal League. Not a lot he can do as he is working funding aspects (but I did get a call from someone in the US Senator's office last week about other things) and I had a follow-up from the Sec of State Office that they are working it and the Muni League guy is going to try to set up a Conference call with the Sec of State Attorney. Trust me - they KNOW my opinion. My date is set by our City Charter and I told them, that cannot be changed easily.

I brought up Wisconsin where the Gov Exec Order was overturned so they were having their Election today.

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Totally agree.  The elephant in the room is this.

When we all open back up and start taking reservations again what happens as innkeepers if we happen to get it? We have to be away from everyone for 14 days.  So what happens then to our current guests we have staying or for future guests during the time we essentially have to close?  It's like a ticking time bomb.  We are all just waiting around until we get it. You all know for a fact we will get it! Its just when and then how will we deal with our guests?  This just really sucks!    

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...what happens as innkeepers if we happen to get it? We have to be away from everyone for 14 days.  

This "2 weeks" thing is a little misleading. That's the period in which symptoms usually first appear, if they even do appear, but once you develop symptoms, it's looking like you can be sick for 3 more weeks, or more!

They still don't have an answer on how long you have to wait before you're no longer infectious to others, and they still don't know if people develop immunity, or if they can catch it again! There was one case in China that recovered, then got it again, but they're not really sure if that second one was a new infection or continuation of the first one, or a false positive! Yes, as you said, this just really sucks!

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Governor just opened up May for reservations. We’ll see how that goes. I’m sticking with mid-May as the earliest. No rush.

 We have not gotten any reservation moves, everything is a cancellation.

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I think it was a clarification by the commissioner yesterday that May reservations were ok to take before, but it came with a caveat that the current restriction could be extended.  We decided to block out into June for now. Like you, no new res coming in at all.

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Really?  Where did you see that? 

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Really?  Where did you see that? 

 first on Facebook last night. Today in email from the state hospitality group.

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We have the same now. Our governor is concerned about people in high-COVID areas like New Orleans and St. Louis seeking to come "hide out" in our state, which has relatively few cases...so far.

His directive limits all Arkansas lodging rentals to those people deemed necessary — health care workers, first responders, law enforcement, state and federal employees on official business, national guard members on active duty, airline crew members, patients of hospitals and their families, journalists, people unable to return to their home because of travel restrictions, etc.

They always put that "etc." at the end, which leaves some wiggle room. We'll see.

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Arks, I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers.  Here is what I see happening in your state. https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Arkansas-sees-largest-single-day-jump-in-COVID-19-cases-reports-two-new-deaths-569393461.html

 

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Arks, I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers.  Here is what I see happening in your state. https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Arkansas-sees-largest-single-day-jump-in-COVID-19-cases-reports-two-new-deaths-569393461.html

What numbers? I didn't mention any numbers in the post you replied to.

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Ooops, I meant to reply to #13...the one with the numbers.  And for your state: Arkansas: 946 Positive Cases; 16 Deaths; 142 Recoveries (1:45 p.m. Tuesday, April 7)

With a little luck and patience the rural nature of your state along with the current restrictions will prevent overwhelming your healthcare system.  Consider yourselves lucky.  We expect our more populace state to be shut down for at least another month. Second homeowners escaping the hot spots in our state and other states are moving in.  There will be no seasonal help at this rate which means many businesses will not be able to operate.  Even if we are able to hold onto our summer bookings visitors may not have restaurants to go to!!! 

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Silverspoon wrote:

Ooops, I meant to reply to #13...the one with the numbers.

Not sure which one is "#13" but if you were referring to the one where I spoke about the 2 cases here, note that I said that was our COUNTY numbers, from our county health department. Our county at that time only had 2 cases. We now have 3, all connected back to the first one, the young farmer who went to Louisiana to buy farm equipment.

I think the county health dept. did a good job of tracking down all his contacts. The two he gave it to were among the contacts they knew about, so they were immediately quarantined. All 3 are doing OK for now, and we're hoping the quarantine stopped the spread.

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I haven't kept up with our governor's requirements, but our county and neighboring county shut down all lodging a week ago including individual short term rentals, yes with that bit of wiggle room too, but a chamber of commerce survey showed most motels/hotels/inns closed with a few remaining available for those special needs. Me, I'm chicken, my reservations were blocked before the order arrived.

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I’ve continued to extend my closed rooms well into May. I have one family still on the books for Memorial Day, but they’ll soon cancel.

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As of today, we have nothing from March 13 until June 11.  All cancellations or reschedules.  [And boom, three rooms for June 12 just rescheduled for September]

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The first case in EVERY state came from someone who came in from outside, of course. In our county's case, one of our farmers went to Louisiana to buy some farm equipment, and bought it back with him.

Our county health department did a great job of tracking down and quarantining everybody he had contact with, and so far his father is the only person who he infected. So, after 10 days, we just have 2 cases, and soon they will be over it and we'll have zero again...we hope!

Someone once falsely quoted a Chinese philosopher saying, "May you live in interesting times." Well, we do, and it's not one bit of fun!

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What's galling is the governor shut down all lodging (hotels, B&Bs, inns, STRs, campgrounds, etc). He even sent state troopers to check (and in at least one case try to entrap) licensed inns and ensure they were complying with the shutdown. 

And AirBnB hosts continue to list hundreds of rentals for the banned time period with no consequences. 

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And AirBnB hosts continue to list hundreds of rentals for the banned time period with no consequences. 

 The out of state license plates are giving them away around here.

 But, yeah, str’s can flout the rules left and right.

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