Price Per for room chocolates

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I recently bought a Dove Collection with Promises for inn-room chocolates and was not sure if it was a good deal or not, it was $9.99+tax, and there were about 75 inside the box. Didn't know how many inside til I opened the box. It made each bedside chocolate to be about .15 each, so .30 cents per room.

I know this is miniscule in the grander scheme of things, some eat them some don't etc etc, but just curious what other innkeepers pay for their turn-down or in room chocolates (each).  I had the Cadbury Milk Chocolate prior to this and the Guylian Twists seahorses (which I love as most people don't realize the shape they are until they open them, plus the chocolate is wonderful).

I just saw you can personalize the message in the Dove promises  - click that link.

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This thread came up with another 2 dozen threads due to a spammer on here, fyi. No harm is using it tho! 

Have you ever gone shopping at a big sale and everything was a great deal and then at the end you thought "Sheesh, what did I buy for all that?"  Or those who shop Costco and the prices are great and it is never less than $150+ for a handful of items you purchased?

Well that is what we need to do with our inns, we need to keep an inventory and know our costs. We need to keep track of spoilage and waste.  If we use indiv soaps and shampoos and they are $1.75 per room, chocolates $2.00 per room, that is already $3.75 off the top.  Every "little" thing adds up.

Buying fruit not in season or not on sale, ie red grapes were $1.29 per lb, at the register they came up $3.89 a lb, that made the little bag of grapes I bought for one room over $10!  So the clerk fixed it and they were back to the correct price which was in my budget.

It is wise to know what your rooms are costing you per guest, what the bottom line is. Give yourself this as an assignment to do when it slows down.  Are you giving away more than you should? Maybe you would be surprised at the figure once you put it all down on paper or excel?

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Almost everything I get is sale priced. Blackberries were down to $2.50 from the usual $3.99 for a few weeks and I bought some. Even at that price it is rare I will spend that much for fruit. I also get wholesale price for my fruits & veggies at the produce place. That helps a LOT over a year since my average order is between $30 and $45 per week.

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As sort of part of this though I may start a new thread. Do many people sit down and work out exactly what is costs to rent a room? (if you see what I mean?)

I keep meaning to do this but havn't got round to it. Back to the chocolate thread. I am thinking of putting chocs on the pillows but how do people do it? ie if you know that room is let today put them out then? I worry about hot days and that sort of thing. I currently have kit kat's on the hospitality tray but am thinking of changing to mini packs of cookies as they are more economical as we set up the rooms for 2 and if there is just one person they usually eat both. All the things to think about.

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For where you are, I liked the shortbread cookie packs with the tea service tray.  Smiling  We had them at our hotel in York.  After walking around town, I'd come back and have my tea and cookies.  yummmmmm............

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camberleyhotelharrogate@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Do many people sit down and work out exactly what is costs to rent a room? (if you see what I mean?)

IDK about "many," but I do. We sort of have to. For various reasons, our rates are incredibly low, esp compared with comparable properties in the region. It's not forever, but it was what DH & I felt the best decision for the time being. In the meantime. knowing knocking ANY money off the bill, knowing exactly how much I'll pay for water/electricity/gas per load of laundry, knowing the price per portion of a dish (yes, I'm a real geek about calculating), all that makes it much easier to dispassionately handle someone looking for a "deal."

 

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Yes Swirt I think that was it. Thanks.  Not that I want to look at it AGAIN  ha ha It is very helpful and some times we just float along doing what we do and think we can write stuff off and not worry about the bottom line (that comes back to bite us).

 

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 I was just wondering if I got a good deal on the chocolates, so I calculated it out and brought the topic up.  I try to keep on top of all costs involved in room rentals, I think you brought that up a while back Steve? Or the old forum.  Do you have that on this forum? The daily operating cost per room, was that what you called it?  When I think half of us had to be hooked up to an EKG.

It all affects our bottom line and whether we make anything in this business. Yes we write them off, but I still try to get good deals. Smiling

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 I try to keep on top of all costs involved in room rentals, I think you brought that up a while back Steve? Or the old forum.  Do you have that on this forum? The daily operating cost per room, was that what you called it?  When I think half of us had to be hooked up to an EKG.

I think you are talking about when I calculated the cost per couple per night. http://www.innspiring.com/node/2723

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I think it was on here and we all did have a collective heart attack. But I think the heart attacks came about because of the numbers that were being quoted for expenses (low) or RevPar where some were clearing $50 or $75 per room night.

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Bree wrote:

I think it was on here and we all did have a collective heart attack. But I think the heart attacks came about because of the numbers that were being quoted for expenses (low) or RevPar where some were clearing $50 or $75 per room night.

Here is one spreadsheet, got a chuckle out of the costs there which have inflated since this was put together in many areas.  Not sure if this was the basis for that discussion or not.  I know it always comes up around tax time though.

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That spreadsheet (here is the actual file, rather than google's read of it) was for people to put in their own values.  It was never meant to just be opened up and use the existing values.  They were just examples of what goes where.

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I used to buy special local made chocolates.  Some people ate them and some didn't. I don't think anyone thought it was special. So I quit putting them in the rooms.  Instead, I now keep a couple candy bowls full in the dining area, common rooms that are individually wrapped mints.

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I don't understand the problem with the term "lifestyle B&B". What's annoying about it? I also don't have a problem with "hobby B&B" if that's what it is. It doesn't mean there's no work or committment involved. Lots of "hobbies" involve work, committment, resources.

I think it's useful to differentiate between a B&B that is relied on for financial support vs one that is not. It has an enormous impact on business decisions.

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I don't understand the problem with the term "lifestyle B&B". What's annoying about it? I also don't have a problem with "hobby B&B" if that's what it is. It doesn't mean there's no work or committment involved. Lots of "hobbies" involve work, committment, resources.

I think it's useful to differentiate between a B&B that is relied on for financial support vs one that is not. It has an enormous impact on business decisions.

Ditto.

I will add that while it is the prerogative of a "lifestyle" or "hobby" B&B to add expensive extras, it does not necessarily mean that it is a good business practice.   Enhancing guests' perception should make good financial sense in the long run.  If it's not bringing new or repeat business, is it necessary?

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Proud Texan wrote:

happyjacks wrote:

I don't understand the problem with the term "lifestyle B&B". What's annoying about it? I also don't have a problem with "hobby B&B" if that's what it is. It doesn't mean there's no work or committment involved. Lots of "hobbies" involve work, committment, resources.

I think it's useful to differentiate between a B&B that is relied on for financial support vs one that is not. It has an enormous impact on business decisions.

Ditto.

I will add that while it is the prerogative of a "lifestyle" or "hobby" B&B to add expensive extras, it does not necessarily mean that it is a good business practice.   Enhancing guests' perception should make good financial sense in the long run.  If it's not bringing new or repeat business, is it necessary?

I deleted my original post because we have actually hijacked this thread. I really didn't want to debate this issue here.For me..I am done with it...everyone makes their own choices for their own reasons.

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It is a really good topic (even though it is unrelated to chocolate).  I think it is helpful when you clarify in a post that your situation may differ because your B&B was a lifestyle.  It is sometimes a confusing term, (there really isn't a better one) but it helps set the context for the particular choice/choices you made. 

I am sure that for every aspiring here who is considering a full blown, support the family B&B, there is another aspiring looking to do a scaled down version that still allows for more personal freedoms in exchange for less revenue.   It helps both types to have that context.  I encourage you to keep putting in your disclaimer when it is warranted.

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Isn't everything related to chocolate?  I bet our friends on the forum in Mexico would say that's true!

I know that I was eating chocolate because I could feel the tension on the thread.

But I sidetrack again... Smiling

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There was a BnB that I considered a hobby for tax write off purposes as he travelled all the time and they basically only had one guest room - a second they could open up on ocassion (which was the family's room).   I was a bit annoyed with this as callers would call and ask ME about that waterfront BnB.  They didn't have a website but listed on a directory.  Still don't have a website.

Then I saw in the paper HE died in a car accident and she is on her own now and it is her bread and butter.  I feel for her.  They were married for 25 years or so.

What they started out doing was not what it ended up.

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yes that was such a sad situation. I am not sure what she is doing with it now. Lost track of her.

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catlady wrote:

yes that was such a sad situation. I am not sure what she is doing with it now. Lost track of her.

Still on local directories as available. I think her daughter moved in to help.  

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I've met innkeepers who clearly have their B&B only for the tax write-offs.  Many still run very nice B&B's, and some still do a lot of work, but everything about their mode of operation is different from my own.  (It must be wonderful to have the freedom to not care about overhead!) 

The word "lifestyle" is a bit annoying, but not nearly as bad as the word "hobby!"  But while the word may tend to be annoying, I think it is important that catlady clarify that her B&B was not her main source of income when commenting on what she did and why.  "Lifestyle" is as good a word as any to do that.  But then, she took herself quite seriously and acted professionally.  So "lifestyle" is not appropriate.  Hmmm....

I only wish there was an easy way to clarify that with the IRS...  As Kathleen says, B&B's whose innkeepers only practice innkeeping to maximize their tax writeoffs make it harder for the rest of us to deal with the IRS.  But that's the case in any profession.

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I put 4 pieces of chocolates in the rooms with 2 small bottles of water. The chocolates vary, whatever I can find on sale, but good ones. I like adding those little touches.

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I was thinking about getting specialty chocolates that are $.11 ea. But they would not be in the rooms, they'd be on the hallway table. 

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I always bought the different Ghiardelli Chocolate Squares.Something like $3.50 a bag. Wal Mart I think it a bit lower. Can't remember how many in a bag..but not more than a dozen I think.

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In the regular bags, there are about 15-18 squares in each bag. I buy them on sale for under $3.   I get a big bag of assorted squares when I can at World Market for $10. 

Most of what I use is around $2.50-$3.50 per bag with 15-20 in them.  Toblerone Minis, Ghirardelli, Lindor Truffles, and the Hershey's Special  Dark squares are pretty tasty.  Russell Stover had a Praline Chocolate Square that worked for here. 

I don't worry about what they cost too much.  I just want them to be nice.  I guess I'm not that analytical.   I try to put out something different each night of a multi-night stay.  Sometimes, I'll even do a chocolate dipped strawberry. 

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Okay so no telling me the cost PER room chocolate? That was what I was asking for.

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Sorry...I used my calculator for you.

0.1388888888 - 0.1509 cents per. 

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Taking the higher price of $3.50 per bag and dividing by the low count of 15 in a bag makes it .43 per piece which if 2 pieces oer room would be a cost of .86 per room per night.

I get bags of Hershey's kisses and toss a handful on the bed with a handful of silk roses when i have a couple coming in. There is also a small bowl of Hershey's kisses on the dresser.

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Ok, so I guess my costs were .75-.85 per room.  Depending if candy on sale or not. That was just what I put on the pillows at turn down. Every room had a small bowlful of hershey kisses, small asst. hershey bars etc..depending on the season what type.  This was just something I enjoyed providing and the guest sure seemed to enjoy eatingSmiling  I didn't care what the cost was...sorry...my lifestyle here again.

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Deleted due to being totally misunderstood.

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Deleted. because I got this thread off track...sorry.

 

 

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Deleted - Never mind.

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Hmmm that is cool that you can personalize the message.  So I guess the othe question that would come up is, how long does good chocolate stay good?  (if you bought a bunch personalized how much would be too much to keep fresh?).

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