New Inn design: Fireplaces, gas or real wood burning?
Posted on: Tue, 10/27/2009 - 6:44pm
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Okay, so at first I thought small gas fireplace was the only way to go in each suite of our new design. But if ambiance, cozyness, authenticity are what I'm selling....maybe wood is the better choice? Our room rates will be high (just over $200 per night) so maybe the "real thing" would be expected? In spite of the extra work, hassel, etc. What do you think?
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I'd rather have a gas and just be able to flick on the switch. I stayed at a B & B that had a wood fireplace. It was nice looking but I did have a hard time sleeping. There was a smoke smell the entire night that made it difficult for me to sleep and I woke up numerious times. Now as an innkeeper I would only want the guests dealing with flipping on a switch to light the fire and not building the fire themselves. Some guests don't know how to build a fire and they might smoke the place up or they might go and get more wood than needed and stuff the fireplace full and cause a chimeny fire which I know happened here once before. I have a wood burning in the common room which I take care of and it is a lot of work to clean it out and the ashes always get all over the furniture so I have to re-dust everything after I am done.
Gas. You'll still get the ambiance - without the pollution.
And at over $200 a night, I'm guessing your guests just want a fire that starts up right away - not one they need to build, worry about opening the damper, blah blah blah.
Remote controlled fireplaces are great - or just a convenient location for the on/off near the bed.
And remember. Guests are looking for the real thing but they're also looking for pampering and push-button ease. At $200 a night, they probably want a wee bit less rustic and a bit more ease.
Go green. And forget the wood fireplace. We've got plenty of soot in the atmosphere already, thank you very much.
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Go with gas over wood. People who have no experience with wood often are STUPID with wood.. too much, not enough, wrong setting on the damper...want it burning but don't want to be there for the entire time it is burning ...the list is nearly endless.
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Guests really think they want the whole cozy fire thing until they fill the room with smoke. Personally, I would like a real fireplace, but I know how to work a fireplace.
Go with the gas but get really nice looking fireplaces.
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Definitely go with gas.
Guests can be stupid with gas too. I happend to walk by a room with an open door this past weekend and noticed the guy down on his knees messing with the controls to the fireplace in his room. He said the remote wasn't working...it worked fine, he was trying to turn off the pilot.
Okay, so at first I thought small gas fireplace was the only way to go in each suite of our new design. But if ambiance, cozyness, authenticity are what I'm selling....maybe wood is the better choice? Our room rates will be high (just over $200 per night) so maybe the "real thing" would be expected? In spite of the extra work, hassel, etc. What do you think?
Speaking from experience....just get over the idea of wood. It sounds like a nice idea initially, but don't be fooled. When you consider the expense of seasoned hardwood, the mess and the fact that the great majority of guests are not fireplace saavy, you will be glad that you chose propane. All the ambiance without the mess. Plus you will find it adjustable and non smoking. The new inserts are quite convincing too. Most of my guests cant tell the difference. More peace of mind to me, anyway.
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Go gas. Real wood and they will burn your house down. Few people have fireplaces at home. Wood for those fireplaces is expensive (we had a wood fireplace with a gas starter so our pyromaniac would have a safe place to play with fire when we were not camping. They had that thing so hot they melted the gas starter tube off AND melted a grate - and this was with us there sort of watching what was happening. Our pyro is now a law-abiding cop. She was fascinated by fire as a kid.). We were always on the look-out for dead trees and watched where the power company was trimming to get the wood. In the 1980s in the burbs of Chicago, wood was $50 a face cord.
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A very good point indeed!
And once that soot gets on their hands - and it will - it gets on the linens, the furniture, and everything else.
Those here in Charlottesville are regretting the real fireplaces. They create dust all over the room and they hate the job of hauling in the wood. Plus, since we had an inn have a fire here that caused two deaths, I believe the County now has a law that the innkeepers must be at the inn 24/7 while there are guests. This means they can't even go out for dinner during the busy season.
Too dangerous. Too much work.
Riki
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If you do place a real fireplace in the common area be sure you have some way of protecting it from your guests ever helping hands. I remember reading a post on this forum (hope I am remembering it correctly) where a guest decided to start a fire in the common area fireplace but did not check to make sure the flue was open.
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I stayed at an Inn in TN that had a real fireplace in the room. While we didn't use it, the smell of smoke was in the room, I smelled it as soon as we walked in.
I personally don't like the idea of gas either, unless you can put some kind of timer on it, so they don't fall asleep and let it run all night. If I were building a new Inn, I would go with even larger and fancier mantel electric fireplaces than the ones I have now. This one is the one I want for my next living room....
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Gas with a remote.
Aside from safety, wood is MESSY. We had a wood stove at our last house and dh loved to open the door and look at the fire... soot and smoke on the ceiling. And dirt and dust from the wood carried in. And dirt and dust on the furniture.
Last year I stayed in a fabulous cabin with a real fireplace... the innkeepers had the fire already laid out, all you had to do was light it. I went through a LOT of wood for just me, if my husband had been there it would have been even more! (He's a pyro.)
So, aside from safety there's the work aspect: hauling wood, setting up the fire, cleaning the grate, cleaning the dust, cleaning the soot... ugh. You'll have plenty of work already, save yourself while you still can.
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Kk.
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i agree and I am not sure what the code it for real wood burning in bed rooms. I know with gas it has to be sealed in bed rooms (behind glass). I think that is international code.
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I have that same model in one of our rooms, same color wood mantle as well.
Thank you but I already have gorgeous mantles. All I need to do eventually is instal the guts of an electric fire. But my "boxes" are very narrow as they were gas fireplaces.
gas fireboxes are not deep and they had asbestos behind the gas pipe to protect from the hear. We encapsulated all the asbestos to make it safe (we were advised not to take it out) and in two rooms also sealed off the firebox. The third room has such a pretty grate/covering, that we left it alone - but the asbestos is not ever going to move! so it is safe also.
Summersville is about an hour and a half from me. Not tht far.
Thank you but I already have gorgeous mantles.
Buy it on the cheap and then resell it for four hundred on Craigslist!
I am going to be in WV in Feb. - if anyone from WV - MI (and any state in between) wants me to pick it up I would do that. If the seller is ok with keeping it till then!
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Okay, I think you've convinced me.....its gonna be gas (at least in the suites). I think I can still go for wood/gas combo in the common room.
A perfect combo. Guests rooms won't get sooty and the common room can retain a rustic charm!
No one has mentioned checking with your insurance. We had a potbellied stove in our common room, insurance said it had to go after they told us it was OK. I would definitely check it out before I went ahead with wood or gas.
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Okay, I think you've convinced me.....its gonna be gas (at least in the suites). I think I can still go for wood/gas combo in the common room.
Sounds like a perfect solution. I would love the ability to have a real fireplace but can't here because a local inn left unattended had a terrible fire so anyone with a real fireplace cannot leave their inn unattended when guests are in.
Just don't leave extra wood out in the common room or you could wake up with a huge fire left unattended....I've had someone have that happen. Folks come home at 11pm and decide to build a fire...
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I know that you have decided aganist it, but I would always choose an Electric Fireplace. The idea of trusting guests who may not know what they are doing with gas or woods scares me too much! lol
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We have stayed a couple of times at a place with wood fires in the rooms, not many other options here. They are used for heat but once they are out, you get the lovely smell of smoke all night and into the next day. When you get into your car to drive home ... the smoke smell follows. All your clothes smell like smoke. It is the feature that lasts beyond your stay.
We have no source of heating here. Would love even electric but electricity here would cost you an arm and a leg. Thank goodness our cold weather only lasts a couple of weeks. More bedding is all we have. Once gas has made it's way here that is what we will be looking at. Warmth and ambiance.
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Hi Cathy!
We had an old stone house in the country and had propane heat. We converted our fireplace to gas logs which worked on lp. It looked great was less messy and worked without electricity. We just installed a gas "wood stove" with doors that open to an invisible glass front in our house downstate It gives the look of an open fire! It too could run on lp and does not need electricity and also has a thermostat so it will act as a back-up heat source when the power goes down. Check them out!
here's some food for thought.
the power went out. the oil furnace is out. (ran out of oil, too!) the electric came on briefly and went out again. waiting for service from the oil and furnace people. we are heating the living room with a wood burning stove that hadn't been used in a long time (years) ... although the chimneys were recently cleaned. the rest of the house is cold. it
almostfeels warmer in the sun than in the cold rooms within the house.a backup heat source is great (although this wood burning stove in one common room would not help if this were a guest house because most of the house is too cold)
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We have an ancient gas heater that looks like a radiator in the foyer. This is "straight pipe" - turn on gas and light it - that can be used if the power goes off. It would not be sufficient to heat the whole house but since warm air rises would help the upstairs while we huddled in the foyer and closed off all the doors downstairs at the foyer. We regard this as "emergency heating" because it does not have any modern features on it.
Propane gas stoves work without electricity. We had to use them last year to keep the pipes from freezing when the power went out. I sorely wanted one in my space, where we don't even have ambient heat from the furnace. (Do have a lot of solar, tho.)
Not so much a reply. It just took me a long time to figure out how to put in a photo Just trying to learn. This is, if it it works, a picture of the stove we installed. It has a propane option, runs without electricity on a thermostat. Thanks for bearing with me.
That is very pretty and cozy looking!
Riki
Thanks, we really like it. A friend thought it was a real fire-- the doors open and although there is glass across it, it looks like an open fire.
I went to a show room and was really impressed with what's available now. One company out of Iowa has a log fireplace which can go from glowing embers to a huge fire by remote. I really looked good. Another company had a brochure which showed an in wall installation of an arch top fireplace on the end wall of a jacuzzi bath. It has a glass front which turns to a mirror when there is no fire. Soak in the tub look at a mirror or a fire! Very cool.
The stove we installed does not get hot on the sides or back-- it only has a 2" set back from the walls. We set ours in a corner and it takes very little room. I really think these are great!
That is very cool! Who is the manufacturer?
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Our stove is by Jotul, it can also operate off a remote. The tub installation was by Kozy Heat, the awesome embers to full roar was by Town and Country (they also had a very different with white sand instead of ashes and river rock instead of log--couldn't decide if I liked it or not, very different take on a hearth. (Correction to above "I" wasn't looking that good "IT"-- the stove was!!!)
Thanks! BTW, I think your potential plans sounds incredible and I hope you'll keep us posted as to how things progress.
A friend just installed one of those, almost touching the wall! I am amazed at how close they can get now.
A question about the gas logs/fireplaces...
Are yours vented through the chimney, or can you get ventless? Our house had a chimney fire back in 1912 which burned the third floor. After a new roof was put on all chimneys were then sealed off, and gas-forced air furnaces installed.
We still have the fireplaces and beautiful mantels, but have fake, non-functioning logs just for show. I'd like to be able to put something in the fireplaces to provide heat. I know there are electric ones out there with flickering "flames" but didn't know about ventless gas options.
Thanks.
How nice to have the mantels! I'm not into ventless my nephew says they are safe but a colorless, odorless, gas that kills is nothing I want to deal with. If the chimneys are only sealed, an installer can run a small vent pipe up through the existing chimney I think. I would ask a fireplace shop about it. Good Luck.
From what I know about gas fireplaces, they HAVE to be vented to the outside in a sleeping area. The newest law here is that they ALL have to be vented, even if you have them in a living room.
With probably a lot of extra work, you could break thru the back wall of the fireplaces if they are on an outside wall and put in the fireplace unit you like.
The flickering electric ones look ok. Not really realistic up close. We have guests turn down the gas fireplace here because they want wood. I booked a place with the electric fireplace and I was disappointed. Not only didn't it look 'real' it wasn't warm. It was set up for looks only. If there was a way to turn the heating element on, we weren't told how. I think that was their number one complaint online, too.
Definitely whatever gas fireplace is used, it should be vented.
There are versions that vent from the back instead of the top, but venting is really essential.
We have a ventless propane gas fireplace.
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We have a ventless propane gas fireplace.
We have 2 ventless that were propane and just switched over to natural gas and 1 woodburner. That one is in the parlor and I am currently having a problem with getting good dry wood to burn. It would be easier if it was gas too. Just my 2 cents.
Our "city" house has a wood burning. At the lodge we have a have a fire pit oustside. As a guest I would want a wood burning but as an innkeeper NOT!