2010 Census - Business Contact

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Posted on Thu, 03/11/2010 - 5:34pm

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Really don't know which topic this falls under?! (Edited Subject)

Have any of you been contacted by the census regarding your B&B?

My question stems from the following:

Back 3 or so months ago we had a person from the regional office come by and ask a few questions about our B&B. Such as how many guests we have staying with us during certain dates and how long they would be staying. I could not help but laugh. They have no concept of our business although a B&B is classified with Hotels and Inns under their business groupings. I asked, does your office know what a B&B is? She laughed and said that they discussed this prior to her field trip. These are questions generated by the head office, not this regional one.

Now yesterday I received a call and after identifying herself, she asked if I would be open during a certain time frame (about a month window). I said yes, why? Well they will be coming by to interview me and my guests!!! When I asked why she said to find out if they are what the census would call residents! I told her that my guests are usually here no longer that 2 days with an odd guest staying a week or so. That we are considered SHORT TERM lodging and there are laws indicating that we can not have anyone here for longer than 29 days.

I also told her that we are a home and as a home while we are open for business, our business is by appointment only, meaning that our doors are not open for anyone to just walk in so they need to schedule an appointment.

Ok - anyone else been contacted? What is your take on this?

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Census takers (2) came to the door today. First asked if we had any LONG term guests staying with us - and I asked what that meant. They did not give me a real time frame but stated that they did not need to know of any that were here 2-3 days only those that may be here long term that may not have another permanent address. Good! Nothing to report other than my fam.

They were really more knowledgeable than the person that was on the phone with me as stated in my earlier post. When I stated that I had requested an appointment for the visit, they said there were no notes to that affect....again, shows that person was not trained.

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We got the form and already completed it, but oddly enough I just got a call asking if this was still a B&B. Hm.

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CH there was an ad in our local paper today from the Sheriff's Dept stating to be ware of phony census takers. (Opportunists who know people will let them in with this census going on)

It said they should NOT have access to the inside of your home at all, they are to provide proper id and can interview you outside but not inside - they are not allowed to interview children.

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JB, thanks for thinking of me on this. I have seen several warnings of this and the facts about their home interviews. What is different is the fact that all lodging establishments fall under different regulations. On the 2010 census website (can't recall the exact page) it states that all hotels, Inns, B&B's boarding houses etc. provide egress freely to the census taker. It also states that we are required to provide the names of those staying here on a temp. basis (not just those living here). It does not state the key date of 4/1 - as Mort. mentioned was on her questionaire, but they must use a date or everything would be messed up. (well then again, we are talking about the gov. lol)

The difference was that when this person from the local office called me, they stated they were wanting to interview all my guests. The website does not state that at all, just names and to provide egress.

You can bet your last dollar that BEFORE they are allowed in my home - business or not it is my home - they will need to provide me with their census id - (how do we know if a census id is real or fake? ). I already told them during our last call that they would need to contact us to set up an appt. as our doors are not 'open' to walk ins and we are sometimes not available. I still can not imagine how they are going to do this with hotels.

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copperhead wrote:

They couldn't do it with hotels, "Get up out of that bed - what the heck do you two think you are doing?!!"

I mean, they can't, it would be impossible. Other than checking the guest "register" for who is here and where from. And on this same subject, what about our guests confidentiality? Disclaimer - I am not even implying any sort of political train of thought - just to clarify in case anyone takes the ball and runs with it - invisible or not.

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Joey Bloggs wrote:

They couldn't do it with hotels, "Get up out of that bed - what the heck do you two think you are doing?!!"

JB, I really think this is what they plan on doing. And I am with you on guest confidentiality too. See my posts 67280 on the law and 67281 for an example of confidentiality issues.

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i got my official Census visit today. When I asked about April 1, they told me that my count would be official "today". This is actually the third visit, they started bugging me way back last summer! Anyway, the questionnaire only wanted to know about anyone who was here because they didn't have another permanent address, so that was just me.

They showed up during breakfast time when 4 other people were around the table, and were gracious enough to come back after breakfast. Two of them this time instead of just one. And IF the Census bureau decides to audit, I was told I might possibly expect one more visit.

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I do find that there is still no firm ground rules with this census. They are so adimit to get a good count that I think it will be way off. Here we are just a hand full of innkeepers and we are experiencing differences, just think how different may be throughout the country!

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We hav never received a thing!! Called the PO and they said everything had been delivered I don't know who to blame but the PO. So we just wait until someone turns up at our door asking info. GRRRR...I have had it with our PO!

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We never got anything either. We don't know if it's because we have a PO box (can't get mail delivered within the town limits) or something else.

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The Census Taker here said because this is a B&B no form would be mailed out, and his visit was instead of a form.

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Hmmmm. We are a B & B and we got the form.

I don't want no stinkin' visits!!!

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Innkeep wrote:

The Census Taker here said because this is a B&B no form would be mailed out, and his visit was instead of a form.

Yes, mine too.

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When the census worker stopped here to check address, she was specifically told this is not a B & B any longer. It is now a private residence. So maybe she didn't get it!!!

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we have our own personal mailbox and address..no PO box. I am suspicious of our mail carrier. We have had a number of lost mailings this year already

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Yes

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Ok folks, Mort got me searching and I found this:

TITLE 13 > CHAPTER 7 > SUBCHAPTER II > § 223 Prev | Next

§ 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees

How Current is This? Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in such premises, shall be fined not more than $500.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/13/usc_sec_13_00000223----000-.html (directed to this site from a link on the census. gov site.

So while homeowners do not have to allow census takers into their homes (stated on the gov site) we must allow them entry and if asked, to provide the names of occupants. (this wording differs in regard those 'staying' in your home as was posted by Mort)

So now my question is what is 'free ingress thereto' actually mean in this sense? Just entry or free to roam about?

Mort - thanks for making me dig!!!

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Has everyone here gotten their census form? We have yet to see one. Is there a deadline for it? Hmmm maybe I had better call our PO.

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Got ours here...for both houses. And, we got a letter first announcing that we'd receive the forms.

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catlady wrote:

Has everyone here gotten their census form? We have yet to see one. Is there a deadline for it? Hmmm maybe I had better call our PO.

They were all supposed to have been mailed out last week. The 'date' is April 1 to fill it out by and mail it back.

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Boy this would have been an eye opener for one of my guest this last weekend. He wanted to be incognito, not wanting to sign in, wanting to pay cash, etc. - No trails! Was with pretty little thing, brought 2 cars. Left before breakfast, too. Would have been interesting to see him squirm if he were to have run in to the census taker during his stay.

(Oh, fyi - I make everyone sign in and I already had all his info anyway when he called that morning to book. An as with hotels, I did check his ID even though he paid cash.)

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OK, got the form and it seems like there really could be some confusion about who to count and where to count them!

Here's a quote from the second question: Where there any additional people are staying here (my emphasis) that you did not count in question 1?

It then lists this as an answer you can select:

'People staying here temporarily.'

BTW, the census people realize that parents don't count kids either. Quite clearly they state that babies and children count and they ask 6 different ways if you forgot to include your kids!

However, the very first set of instructions state to count everyone who lives and sleeps here most of the time. (Again my emphasis.) And they do go on to state you should count anyone staying here who has no permanent place to live. So, 'guests' in the sense we mean it, should not be counted. The 'guest' who has not vacated the couch in 6 months and is now getting his mail here should be counted here. (He should also be told to get a job and find another place to live, but that's a whole other issue!)

Don't count kids at college, they get counted at college apparently. And cousin Bob in jail? Don't count him, either. Nursing home resident, ditto. Or anyone in the military who is away. But nothing about folks in hospital, so count them at your house, they won't be counted in hospital.

Hope that helps with those who are getting visited by census takers.

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Thanks Mort. Question, was the mailing addressed to Mr or Mrs. Mort, Your B&B name, or just to the address?

Reason for my quesiton is wondering if they have a different form for our business or if it is the same as a household.

I will be asking to read this questionaire myself instead of being 'interviewed'.

Just thought of another question: Does it specify a date or time frame (as another poster mentioned) which they are interested in who is 'staying here' ?

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Address only. 'Resident at my address'

Date specific- ON April 1, who is living at this address?

Even tho the enclosure says fill it out NOW, they want to know who is living here on Apr 1. God willing and the creek don't rise, we'll be here!

This address here has had a biz in it for at least 4 censuses (censi?). I really think a lot of it is your location. If someone is coming out, they'll have the long form more than likely which includes a lot more questions about how you live...# of TV's, bathrooms, bedrooms, stuff like that. Along with # of years of schooling, military service and some other stuff I can't remember. A whole bunch of questions about employment and the home you live in. (Ought to be interesting at a B&B...8 bedrooms, 9 bathrooms and 2 people live here!)

Here's the link to the long form questionnaire.

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Thanks Mort! Could not get that link to work and could not find the correct one on their site.

As I already knew participation is the law, but only some questions are mandatory and if asked, the cencsus interviewer must state if it is mandatory or not.

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copperhead wrote:

Thanks Mort! Could not get that link to work and could not find the correct one on their site.

As I already knew participation is the law, but only some questions are mandatory and if asked, the cencsus interviewer must state if it is mandatory or not.

From what I got on the .gov site, it's mandatory to answer whatever questions are on the form you got. Short, long, whatever. However, they can't ask you questions that aren't on the census survey.

Title 13

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

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I got mine and all they wanted to know was who was living here. And if I was hispanic or white or whatever.

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From the conversation I had with that census advance worker, this is what I finally was able to figure out. If they're staying temporarily more than 30 days, they're living there.

Basically they're looking for the new homeless who are bouncing from motel to motel and won't be counted elsewhere. They don't really have a way to eliminate one type of lodging facility over another so they're asking the same questions of all of us.

The chances that a B&B would have a resident other than innkeepers is pretty slim. But they're still asking just to make sure everyone gets counted.

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Sorry if it sounded like that. Its just crazy.

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OK OK OK But that is what the paper said!

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MTL, we aren't picking on you, not at all!

Issues such as the one you mentioned are the reason I brought this issue up in the first place. It just proves that there is a problem with the census itself. I am wondering if this matter is being handled in this way only in some districts for a reason? (see my post 67074 in response to your post of 67073 for the details of what the census is used for.)

Mort, you are dead on... This could lead to people being counted multiple times in different locations which could effect funding for that area AND redistricting of congress seats.

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I have not received a single Census item, not a phone call, no visit, no mail....nothing. I wonder if they consider my location as being "commercial" and not "residential." Oh well...less hassle for me, I guess.

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I got the census paper at the B&B. It is stated the whom ever is at that address on April 1, I need to include them because they may be miss if I don't add them. WTF? Heck I not even going to put me down! Did anyone else get anything like this? Is this April fools joke??? Thats what I first thought when I saw it.

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So, everyone in a hospital on April 1st will be counted as LIVING there? Because that's where they are on April 1? What if I'm on vacation at your place? Now I live there and I don't live where my actual residence is? Then how do I fill out the form at MY house? 'Sorry, I don't live HERE, I got counted at MTL Lodge, so i really live THERE.' (Not picking on you, just wondering where this stuff comes from!)

Is this coming directly from the fed gov't or some local person who is totally misunderstanding their job? The census is not a one day project. What if the person at any of our B&B's is at another B&B the day THAT census person shows up?

If anyone even goes online to look at a sample test for getting a job with the census, you can see that what B&B owners are being told is not even close to true.

That implies that if you have family visiting, they LIVE with you because that's where they are on April 1.

Oy. Ask to see the questions as they fill out the form. (If you even answer the door after this!) Argue if you have to. It sounds like someone in your 'district' is playing fast and loose with the numbers.

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MTLLodge wrote:

That is just not so. Only people living there should be counted. Legal Residence: - (law) the residence where you have your permanent home or principal establishment

By counting those that are only there on April 1 but who have al legal residence elsewhere will end up being counted twice. As they will have a form at their residence for completion. If both are completed it alters the census and makes your area have more residents than they really have. This could also have a swaying impact on redistricting for congress seats as well as spending. I am not trying to be politicical just practical.

The following information was copied from the official Census gov. site: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/why/index.php

"Census information affects the numbers of seats your state occupies in the U.S. House of Representatives. And people from many walks of life use census data to advocate for causes, rescue disaster victims, prevent diseases, research markets, locate pools of skilled workers and more.

When you do the math, it's easy to see what an accurate count of residents can do for your community. Better infrastructure. More services. A brighter tomorrow for everyone. In fact, the information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services like:

Hospitals
Job training centers
Schools
Senior centers
Bridges, tunnels and other-public works projects
Emergency services"

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We have been visited twice by the census people. The first time was several months ago and I answered general questions. They had an electronic device and needed to get within a few feet of each front door of each building. She informed me that after all the info had been taken in the census, the updated information will rectify the problems with wrong locations in GPS.

I received a follow up visit a couple of months after the first one and he had a few more specific questions regarding the b&b, but nothing intrusive.

Like other posts, I would never let them interview my guests!

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Interesting about the GPS info. How will they do that when they're not even coming here? And believe me, GPS units tend to have NO idea where we are. And it seems someone is playing fast and loose with Google maps lately as more and more of the in town businesses here are ending up out of town.

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This is why I like the fact that we are behind a locked gate and it's a long walk to the end of the pier to get to us. I wonder, though, if they will be looking for "residents" on yachts, anyway. What about all those folks who live out on the water at anchor?

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The 'Advance" gal stopped by here. They had us still as a B & B and she questioned me about how long guests stayed with us. Of course, I set her straight in that we have been closed for 2 years now. ANd no one but us live here now.

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They want to make sure no one else is living in the household.

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BTW, I got a letter and we're only getting the form in the mail.

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We got that letter also. What a waste of money! Time, paper, envelopes, and postage to tell me I am going to get a form.

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In 2000 my B & B was 4 years old and no questions were asked about my guests OR my B & B,

I am responding with who LIVES here and nothing else. They can ask financial questions until they are blue in the face. I am required to tell them who lives here and nothing else. And they will NOT be talking to any of MY guests. They will not be invited into the inn.

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I just thought...it's your location. They're trying to figure out if you have any displaced people living there. I bet it's not country-wide but it's probably prevalent where you are. So they MAY be asking at hotels where you are, too.

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That is it. I was working at an inn recently when the census worker stopped in to talk to guests. I expressed shock and she explained that they'd been told to check out all hotels and small inns since so many folks have started taking up residence in some.

So expect this if you haven't had it yet. It's part of their instruction this time around.

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I'd say no way is the census interviewing my guests when they will also be interviewed at their own homes. The census taker can ask who lives here and that's what they'll be told, who LIVES here. Not who stops by for a night or two.

They are not interviewing HOTEL guests, right? And if they say they are I'd like to see them try.

That is just stupid.

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Morticia wrote:

They are not interviewing HOTEL guests, right? And if they say they are I'd like to see them try.

That is just stupid.

That is exactly what I told the person on the phone. We are very willing to cooperate in telling them who LIVES here but that is that. I told them that they would need to show me proof that they have talked to all the guests at the Worstbestren etc. before I would allow the same here.

I am hoping I will have someone who was in business in 2000 to tell me if they did this at that time. Or if this has more to do with the new drive to be used to redistrict. (Not wanting to get political here at all.) We were in business but only by a few months and they did not even know we were a business then.

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No. The census taker rang the doorbell and left a note on our door that said we'd be receiving our census soon. (Woke me up in the process, IDIOT!) We did get it a week or so later and returned it. He had no idea we were a bnb since we do not have signage.

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remnjava wrote:

... He had no idea we were a bnb since we do not have signage.

I do not think it had anything to do with signage. I think they have something in their system that puts the flag up for this. It was not an issue for us in the 2000 census, but we (B&B) were under a year old at the time.

2010 Census - Business Contact

§ 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees

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