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I have some doggie friendly cottages that I will need to bomb for fleas. I have never done this before. What is the best way to proceed? Thanks !

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I went to our do-it-yourself pest control store and got something at their suggestion which kills the eggs and adult fleas.  It's a spray.  Worked very well.  Then, you have to keep up the vacuuming, emptying the bag, because it helps to pop any larvae that are hiding. 

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HML you have spoken words of wisdom and are worthy to be quoted over and over again:

"High-maintenance people looking for bargains are a recipe for disaster"

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We are a dog-friendly and child-friendly inn. By far, the dogs cause fewer problems than the kids. And, although we are very straightforward about our policies (all our rooms are dog-friendly), invariably we get the inquiry from a dog-sensitive person wanting to know if the room has ever had a dog in it. You're tempted to reply, "No, but one time when I was cleaning the bathroom in 14, a coyote snuck in and had puppies on the mattress. Not to worry, though; we got 90 percent of the stains out. You looking to adopt a puppy, by the way?"

Instead, we say, "All our rooms are dog-friendly. We clean them thoroughly after every guest departs, but depending on your sensitivity, this may not be the best place for you."

I had one inquiry who came back with, "But your rates are so *reasonable.* Couldn't you do a special cleaning of the room we want?"

Uh, no. High-maintenance people looking for bargains are a recipe for disaster.

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Sensitity to chemicals is one thing..........yes.....there are people that have such things.....it is understandable that catagory of guests would seek out a B&B.

The environmental movement is a realy, realy big thing.........missquided much of it is................not knocking them, just the extremeism.

the example given here regarding a lawn that is half something other than the desireable turf that is wanted.

There is a program called IPM......Integrated Pest Management..........the very idea of it is to scout for the problems........no longer doing pesticide applications just for the sake of doing them........have to have the pest first, then treat with the least toxic first.............along with that is preventative maintenance.....this idea is to prevent what would be a common pest occurance. In doing this is to use the product at the lower rate..........to cure a disease or eradicate a pest would require more applications and or stronger chemicals, which would be considered more toxic.

Where it concerns turf.........yes.......if one desires the show place lawn.....hard work is necessary to achieve those ends.........so will be using pesticides.........Consider this........in the beginning to create the show lawn the requirement for something like weed preventers and killers is high in the beginning.......as the seasons pass the need for such treatments become less..........where you would start with doing broad area applications, this would eventualy lead to just doing spot treatements.........can take a lawn area that required 3 gallons of a broadleaf weed killer application at the beginning........end up with only having to apply a quart, maybe a half gallon of spray mix a couple seasons later

establish and maintain a healthy turf.......the need for chemicals drops

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 Cat fur woven...yeah that's about right.  I can be away for days or weeks and find cat hair in or on something, it gets right into the weave of any fabric.

I love animals. I want to see your pets! Gimmee gimmee...bring on Fido and Penelope.

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these guests that request info if the property is treated with any chemicals....

First..............do you realize that products you use in "your own home" are more toxic than what is used on the landscape

Organic controls.....there is not enough science to know what the exposure effects are........let alone long term effects..........Pyrethrin based insecticides are orgainc.....they affect the nervous system of the insects......if it kills bugs..........organic or chemical........it is still a poison........and we just don't enough yet about organic controls

(not saying......not to use them........they "may" be less harmfull to humans and pets)

If these guests ever stayed at a hotel or motel.....they don't use pesticides?......higher quality establishments require their grounds be in top shape and look pleasing.........they don't use pesticides?

Restaurants......any establishment that handles food..........they don't use pesticides ?

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Most of the ones that have asked me about pesticides say specifically that they prefer B&Bs to hotels or motels for traveling because they a) know what chemicals they do and don't use and b) may have more flexibility in not using certain chemicals for cleaning or laundry.   I have to believe that the guests with severe chemical sensitivities don't use them in their own homes.  At least one of my guests didn't have a problem with cleaning products, only with pesticides.

It's very hard to tell what will make someone allergic - I now have an allergy to sulfa drugs because I took some prescribed for a mis-diagnosed infection that was really an allergic reaction.  One chemical may be very problematic to someone while many others are not.  It's hard to blame people for trying to manage their sensitivities as much as possible - if I can't meet their needs, I suggest they go somewhere else.

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We just had a call from someone with severe dog & cat allergies wanting to verify there are no pets allowed in the room they want. OK, severe allergies to dogs won't do well here because I have a dog, which I explained to her. Told her this is how we run the place, you need to decide if that is appropriate for your needs. My dog does wander around sometimes. But even if she didn't, she lives with me. I will have dander or pet hair on me at some point.

Plus, I cannot guarantee the last guest didn't throw a cat fur-laden suitcase on the bed.

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Guests were assuming we wouldn't use those things anywhere on the property because they were thinking about us like a 'house'.

I don't use bug spray. We do have to treat the lawn for weeds or that would be all we had. Right now over half my lawn is no longer 'pretty grass' it is that awful pale green grass or crabgrass.  (Sorry I don't know one grass from another.)

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 "Bugs and taxes" we can't escape either one.

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I had a centipede walk across the bathroom floor two days ago.  Bugs just mean your house is healthy, infestations are another story.  If a mouse gets in here it is because we have rural countryside all around, it is not a big deal, BUT...IF A GUEST SEES A MOUSE it is the end of the world as we know it!  Heck, if a guest sees a cat, it can be the end of the world!

Isn't life wonderful...isn't it great to NOT be related to or have to live with THOSE people!  Smiling

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Joey Bloggs wrote:

I had a centipede walk across the bathroom floor two days ago.  Bugs just mean your house is healthy, infestations are another story.  If a mouse gets in here it is because we have rural countryside all around, it is not a big deal, BUT...IF A GUEST SEES A MOUSE it is the end of the world as we know it!  Heck, if a guest sees a cat, it can be the end of the world!

Isn't life wonderful...isn't it great to NOT be related to or have to live with THOSE people!  Smiling

Uggh! I agree. Being out in the county, you just expect your fair share of local flora and fauna. I have a couple here right now from Staten Island. The wife actually called me up because they had a spider web on the grapevine wreath on their cottage door. They requested it be immediately removed as 'they don't do' bugs.

Here is my question: how did the human race get so removed from nature? No one can survive without air conditioning. Even exercise is an indoor sport ie running on the treadmill while watching TV. No wonder todays kids are obese....(end rant)

 

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YEah we have people complaining about flies at some of the local hotels...well ghee whiz they are in the middle of the country and no screen doors for heaven's sake. LIke you said...bugs in a house..are to be expected somewhat...it is nature.  Now things like bed bugs and cockroach infestation..NO WAY!

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 I have found that you spend more energy,time, and money if you try to do it yourself, just call your friendly Bug person and have it done. If the fleas are not gone in a month call them again and they re-spray for free. Same goes for the pesky little ants and those foreign lady bugs. The ants were gone in minutes.

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Sorry.. I can live with ants and Asian Lady beetles...I don't want to have professionals spraying awful poison in and around my houseSad

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Sorry.. I can live with ants and Asian Lady beetles...I don't want to have professionals spraying awful poison in and around my houseSad

We've had guests ask, after they booked, if we use any chemicals on the lawn or if we spray for bugs. At that time, we had ChemLawn and all those guests cancelled. All of them had either kids or pets they were bringing.

It is spider season here now. Oy. I am after them with the swiffer every day.

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DH is very alergic and after 2 spider bites and 2 trips to the ER we will do anything it takes to keep those things AWAY.

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 No sprays on our yard, we have a well. 

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Oh Spiders I can take as well. My husband has trained me that they our good insects Sad  I don't like them...but like you say...a good swat and swiffer takes care of them Smiling

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 I understand what  you are saying, but when they come in by the billions (not quite) then it is time to do something. THe ants were not sprayed but our Bug Lady provided a motel like thing, but this one works also a clear jel. Do you know of a green method to rid ones house of fleas?

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The Fleabuster product is made of diatomaceous earth, which is not a toxic chemical.  You do have to be careful using it - you wouldn't want to breath it in much, especially if you are sensitive to dust.  It can take a few weeks to work completely because it can't kill the eggs, but it does kill the larvae before they become full-grown fleas.

I worry about using chemicals, too.  We just had the ground surrounding the inn treated for termites - a preventative measure, not because we have them - but I have had several guests who ask about those kinds of chemicals, especially pesticides.  They can be very toxic even in small doses if you have a chemical sensitivity.

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You could try this page for more info. I am wondering if the flea repellent we put on our dog is what made her so sick last month. I'm going to use half the amount this month and see if she gets lethargic again.

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We stopped putting it on our indoor cats after one became ill with a blood plasma cancer.  It can be very poisonous to animals who are elderly or who already have weakened systems.  Of course, that's why we had to treat for fleas after one died - he had them, even though he wasn't going outside.  It's very easy for them to come inside on your clothing.

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I had stopped Frontline on my cat because I noticed he was reacting weirdly after I put it on him. i told the vet and he said he had never heard of any reactions from any of his clients. I don't do it because of fleas...he has never had any...but because of the ticks. He was bringing in so many in July that I had to put it back on him even though I didn't want to.

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What did your cat do? My dog runs around in circles and tries to shake the stuff off her.

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OH..Fluffy acts real sluggish and slow...unusual for him even if he is 17 Smiling  Never fails...after I put it on...he just lays around and sleeps constantly for about a day and then he is ok.

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Not me, the guests. Any kind of bug = dirty to the guests. The big, hairy wood spiders do give me the heebie jeebies, tho.

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The big, hairy wood spiders do give me the heebie jeebies, tho.

They wood spider is a fascinating species. Here is information that I am sure you are not aware of:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1897025/6290607

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The Farmers Daughter wrote:

Morticia wrote:

The big, hairy wood spiders do give me the heebie jeebies, tho.

They wood spider is a fascinating species. Here is information that I am sure you are not aware of:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1897025/6290607

OMG!!! lmao! Thank you. That made my day!

I can identify with the caffeine spider btw! Thanks.

That was great!

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River Wren wrote:

The Farmers Daughter wrote:

Morticia wrote:

The big, hairy wood spiders do give me the heebie jeebies, tho.

They wood spider is a fascinating species. Here is information that I am sure you are not aware of:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/1897025/6290607

OMG!!! lmao! Thank you. That made my day!

I can identify with the caffeine spider btw! Thanks.

That was great!

Glad you liked it. I thought it was pretty funny myself..

."nice web, Mr. Crack Spider"..... lol!

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Oh, yeah, like I'm going to watch a video about wood spiders.

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Morticia wrote:

Oh, yeah, like I'm going to watch a video about wood spiders.

lol! just watch it. . . . its not what you think.

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There is a product that is not a bomb that is effective - Fleabusters.  We used it in our own quarters after one of our housecats passed on but left all his fleas behind.  It is really best used on carpet or rugs - it is extremely slippery on wood floors.  We treated our area rugs in the bedroom and it worked very well.

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 In the news locally a house was on fire due to someone flea bombing.  So please read the directions carefully.

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You can read up on how to break the life cycle and potentially kill them with proper application of the right chemicals here:  http://www.creaturecomfortsinc.com/PetPages/fleas.htm

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It's been a while since I battled fleas, but I remember declaring nuclear war against them after many failed attempts with bombs.  I started researching what I was doing wrong.  I learned that fleas have a 4-stage life cycle - egg, larvae, pupae, adult.  Eggs and pupae are killed by one chemical that has no effect on the larve and adult.  Then there is another chemical that kills the larve and the adult, butnot the egg and pupae.  So you have to apply each chemical within a certain number of days.  At this point, I don't remember the names of each chemical (I think both of them started with a "P"), nor the interval that you apply each one, but if you do some internet research, I'm sure you can find it.  The interval is going to be the nuber of days the eggs hatch and when the pupae become adults.  Back with I was learning all of this (1989 or 1990, I believe), it was before the age of internet - I did it the old fashioned way by reading, researching, and speaking with pest control experts. 

Once I learned about the life cycle and what kills what, I won the battle against the fleas once and for all.  I've never had to battle fleas again.  Heck, I couldn't even tell you whether the same chemicals are even still available.  The EPA seems to yank all the good stuff off the market (just like our bottom hull paint - gotta go to the Bahamas to get the good stuff!)

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Yes this is what I recall also.  Been years since I had to deal with it.  If you do not break that cycle they will continue to breed and multiply.  If you have a farmers feed and seed store in the area, they will be your best bet to assist you in purchasing the right chemicals to do the job yourself. 

OFF TOPIC - Sancturary, hope Bonnie was not too bad for you!  I know it is a real rain producer. 

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OFF TOPIC - Sancturary, hope Bonnie was not too bad for you!  I know it is a real rain producer. 

Not too bad - I prepared well.  I rubbed on a piling just a bit, but no damage and I lost nothing.  We were supposed to be headed to the Bahamas with 15 people onboard.  All of that got the axe.  I'm more disappointed in that than I can express.  I've worked hard for over 4 years getting this yacht ready to cross the Gulf Stream and this was our set date - I guess it wasn't meant to be.  From visions of sipping champagne on a float while tethered to Sanctuary’s stern in beautiful Bahamian waters with her shadow clearly visible on the sea floor...to the harsh reality of dragging out storm crap and preparing her for wind, instead.  July is supposed to be a time when the Gulf Stream is flat.  It's been running around 10 feet this past week.  The boat can take that, but most people can't.  I have a friend whom we were supposed to meet over there who came back in that.  He put the autopilot on, laid down on the aft deck and prayed to God to put a bullet through his head.  God did not answer his prayers, and he eventually arrived in Miami in one piece..  Smiling

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Have never used a flea bomb. However, I understand that you can set the place on fire by using too many of them, so please read the directions. If you have any kind of 'food items' like utensils, coffee maker, etc, remove them. I would think you need to air out the cottages before guests check in again.

You will need to vacuum several times (about a week apart) in order to get all of the fleas, nymphs, eggs. Be sure to throw the vacuum bag out each time so you're not incubating them in your vacuum.

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Morticia wrote:

Have never used a flea bomb. However, I understand that you can set the place on fire by using too many of them, so please read the directions. If you have any kind of 'food items' like utensils, coffee maker, etc, remove them. I would think you need to air out the cottages before guests check in again.

You will need to vacuum several times (about a week apart) in order to get all of the fleas, nymphs, eggs. Be sure to throw the vacuum bag out each time so you're not incubating them in your vacuum.

Thank you for the advice. Do you know if certain bombs or foggers are more effective than others?

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