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Is this the latest thing? Every guest yesterday asked for their omelet with no cheese.

Not a single one said dairy was an issue when asked 3 times if there was anything they couldn't eat.

But they all said it when told there were omelets for breakfast.

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for all the free: Dairy free, lactose free, egg free, gluten free, wheat free, pork free, meat free, fruit free, bee free...

BYOB (Bring your own breakfast) cool

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for all the free: Dairy free, lactose free, egg free, gluten free, wheat free, pork free, meat free, fruit free, bee free...

BYOB (Bring your own breakfast) cool

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Regarding the "skim milk" issue, our daughter-in-law developed a progressive lactose intolerance. She initially couldn't tolerate the fat-free or reduced-fat milks, but could tolerate full-fat milk and half and half. But eventually, all milk became verboten. As someone noted, the reduced-fat milks contain a higher percentage of lactose, unbuffered by fat.

Interestingly, lactose intolerant people usually can tolerate dishes that have milk as an incorporated ingredient. The reason is that the lactose is broken down into simpler sugars by the cooking. My mom was completely lactose intolerant--this before the days of "alternative milk," and I don't remember her ever drinking anything but buttermilk.

I'm pretty sure the "allergic to dairy" is sometimes just a dodge because people don't understand the nature of lactose intolerance. Nevertheless, I take their restrictions at face value.

It's the weirdest thing. We can go weeks without having any food issues whatsoever. Hell, these folks would eat snakes. Then its OMG! We can't eat anything! I posted on Facebook last week regarding the long list of restrictions that showed up. I assured people that, given enough time, I could come up with a breakfast that didn't involve food.

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BTW, we went thru the no cheese thing again today. Not a single person asks if there is cream in with the eggs, they all say "no cheeses".

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DH has taken to asking for 'no cheese' too.  Doesn't want the calories, but also in most local restaurants, the cheese is some oily low cost concoction that somewhat resembles cheese, only with no flavor. 

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Madeleine wrote:

BTW, we went thru the no cheese thing again today. Not a single person asks if there is cream in with the eggs, they all say "no cheeses".

 

Probably more of a calorie thing than a dairy.  I avoid cheese to cut calories.

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It's rampant now. Almost every other rez we're getting they call or email after the fact to say 'no dairy'. So it's not something they are living with as an allergy, it's a brand new choice.

And it's really screwing with the breakfast when we can't make eggs for every table the same way. No quiche. No egg bake. Because I can't sub soy, either.

We might just as well offer cooked to order.

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Want to guess which Dr. came up with this fad on his way to see the Wizard?

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Actually, here's a great thing you can do with firm tofu.... keep it very cold, slice very thinly and fry. Serve like hash browns, crispy. Or if you want it a little different, dunk in soy sauce for a minute, dry and then fry. To get it extra crispy, add a little salt and pat dry (it draws out the liquid). You can even put that inside of the omelet for a little crispy surprise.

Or how about trading the cheese for asparagus, strip bottoms and put in microwave for a minute and then add while making the omelet. Slice of tomato on the side.... skip the cheese. Cheaper anyway.

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You don't ask what they CAN't Eat!  Ask, are you allergic to any foods or have health issues which prevent you from eating certain foods?

You don't need to cater to "I just don't like it." You are not a short order cook or a restaurant.  Seems like putting out just a buffet and say take your pick might be a good way to go. If it isn't there on the buffet, then don't eat ...GRRRRRRR

Or just use soy milk instead of milk

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We ask about allergies. That's it. It's at the table or the day before arrival we're getting  "oh, and we don't eat dairy or gluten."

It's getting stressful.

And we now have guests loading the fridge with "their special food".

Give me a break.

I understand why we in this country don't have food that people can eat without getting sick on it but when people who aren't sick stop eating I wish they'd complain to big companies that they won't eat their poisoned food any more.

 

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We have a fridge for guests. Anything they leave in our fridge is OURS. We assume that it's for us to use. No exceptions. And no "extra" space. Just a small fridge space shared (we bought a fridge with a glass door, just for that reason.)

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Madeleine wrote:

We ask about allergies. That's it. It's at the table or the day before arrival we're getting  "oh, and we don't eat dairy or gluten."

It's getting stressful.

And we now have guests loading the fridge with "their special food".

Give me a break.

I understand why we in this country don't have food that people can eat without getting sick on it but when people who aren't sick stop eating I wish they'd complain to big companies that they won't eat their poisoned food any more.

 

 

Stock gluten free, dairy free, egg free, nut free granola and serve it in a lovely crystal bowl with soy milk and fruit on the side.

http://www.iherb.com/Udi-s-Gluten-Free-Granola-Vanilla-12-oz-340-g/34578?gclid=CjgKEAjw286dBRDmwbLi8KP71GQSJAAOk4sjHNly9dW2fs2ICKn05vKx29JIwfx9OUiHV25UXOhlGfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

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Do you have a refrigerator in any of the guest rooms?  Or near there so you can tell them to use that. I know you hate signs, but is there no way you can put something out in your kitchen area like

"Strict health dept rule: Guests are not permitted in the kitchen area."  or something like that?  I would not stand for them going into my kitchen. Where is the screen I told you to buy years ago?? LOL!!!

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Sorry. Loading the guest fridge, not ours. Do there's no room for anyone else's stuff.

You know what's totally odd? For all the  "no cheeses, no dairy" we had this weekend guests drank a quart of milk!

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Have a guest in for four nights - when my husband checked her in, she announced that she is allergic to "skim milk" -- she can only have full fat milk or cream.  I've heard of everything and have a daughter who is lactose intolerant and a husband who is both lactose and gluten intolerant so I'm typically up on all of this.  I truly believe she just wants to be sure that I made everything extra rich while she's here.  Anyone encounter this before?

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With lactose intolerance, there is just the slightest difference between the lactose sugar in skim milk and whole milk, like .4 so it's almost impossible for someone to be able to chug cream in their coffee and all of my homemade foods but they can't have a little skim milk.  So this morning she had a parfait full of whole milk yogurt along with her coffee with milk.  When she was told we were making her scrambled eggs because the cheddar bacon waffles contained fat free sour cream (all I had) that's made from skim milk, she said -- Oh I'd so much rather have the waffle, don't worry about me I can have it.  Again, not a lactose intolerance but a preference.  Drives me crazy because she's the reason that innkeepers don't want to believe the guests when they list their real allergies.

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Drives me crazy because she's the reason that innkeepers don't want to believe the guests when they list their real allergies.

So true!!

Right now I have someone who is severely allergic to eggs and all things poultry. I know that it's not just a preference because of my questioning him about pastries. Nope, no type of pastry if it has any egg. Nobody turns down my pastries!

For him, I happily adjust his breakfast. It's the others I resent.

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MtnKeeper wrote:

Drives me crazy because she's the reason that innkeepers don't want to believe the guests when they list their real allergies.

So true!!

Right now I have someone who is severely allergic to eggs and all things poultry. I know that it's not just a preference because of my questioning him about pastries. Nope, no type of pastry if it has any egg. Nobody turns down my pastries!

For him, I happily adjust his breakfast. It's the others I resent.

 

what did you give them?

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No egg is really quite an easy dietary restriction to work with. He also has severe allergy to most nuts, melons & kiwi. His wife is vegetarian

This morning I made fresh peach smoothies, a croissant breakfast sandwich I adjusted for both guests. Instead of ham, she got asparagus & roasted yellow pepper. Both got homemade granola and she got the pecan pie muffins which recipe is here on the forum.

I also received a lovely note from them after breakfast thanking me for the wonderful breakfast and adjusting the foods for them.

Very appreciative and that makes a HUGE difference in my attitude!

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There's hope yet! My dad used to get violently sick if he ate anything with eggs or anything even cooked in the same pan with the eggs. Couldn't even get the flu shot.

He told me the other day that after 80+ years he thinks he's over it.

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That's lactose intolerance, usually. The lower the fat content the higher the lactose. 

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Have a guest in for four nights - when my husband checked her in, she announced that she is allergic to "skim milk" -- she can only have full fat milk or cream.  I've heard of everything and have a daughter who is lactose intolerant and a husband who is both lactose and gluten intolerant so I'm typically up on all of this.  I truly believe she just wants to be sure that I made everything extra rich while she's here.  Anyone encounter this before?

Like I am allergic to hot dogs when I go camping. LOL!

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I'm only allergic to hot dogs that aren't all beef kosher hot dogs.

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I'm only allergic to hot dogs that aren't all beef kosher hot dogs.

Speaking of Kosher ...I told you that story I think... My good friend who was hosting the current PM "Net" at her place, long story, but it ended up he came to Seattle and we had a meeting, low key location so at her place, it was Hebrew National to the rescue! We did a cookout and that was what she served.

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Do you remember their slogan? 

Yup... my hot dogs... don't come from the butt, either. (I love HN hot dogs, I buy them when I'm in the US. BTW, they are a unit of ConAgra. 

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Now we're adding to the list... No dairy, no gluten, no eggs.

I don't like veggies so they are not getting cooked up for breakfast. Hopefully the instant oatmeal doesn't have gluten in it.

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it does

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I just found this a couple days ago on Pinterest. These recipes look really good and easy. Mostly vegan or can easily made vegan, GF, etc.

Overnight Oats Recipes

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Just this week, we had a "family" of vegans. On the res in the column "do you have any dietary restrictions we should know about?" was the comment: "We only eat plant-based food."

So they got steamed quinoia, chia, and flax seed, sauteed with mushrooms, multi-colored peppers, and onions, which are then stuffed in hollowed-out tomatoes and  cooked in a bain marie.

The rest of our guests got an egg bake that's heavy on cottage cheese, swiss cheese, and chives from our garden. 

As I suspected, only the daughter was truly vegan; after righteously eating their tomatoes, the other three (gal's husband and her mom and dad) fell on the egg bake like the locusts of Egypt. I was expecting something like that, and had adjusted portions accordingly. They also decimated the muffin basket. 

I had an interesting conversation with the husband about complimentary proteins to ensure that they were getting all the necessary amino acids in their diet. Husband hadn't ever heard of such a thing. (Can you spell "Diet for a Small Planet"?) No wonder the boy was so hungry.

Their one-year-old son, in the meantime, bounced about the dining room like a pinball. "We feed him vegan to keep him calm." Really? How's that workin' for you?

 

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I had an interesting conversation with the husband about complimentary proteins to ensure that they were getting all the necessary amino acids in their diet. Husband hadn't ever heard of such a thing. (Can you spell "Diet for a Small Planet"?) No wonder the boy was so hungry.

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Great minds think alike, I actually gave my mom a copy of that book when they started running their inn so she could better understand vegetarians and vegans. It's well-worn now! She may need a new copy!

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As I suspected, only the daughter was truly vegan; after righteously eating their tomatoes, the other three (gal's husband and her mom and dad) fell on the egg bake like the locusts of Egypt.

You all just crack me up with some of your comments!  But seriously, you went so above the call - I hope they were very gracious with their compliments.  That sounds like a wonderful healthy, filling dish

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Hey, plain omelets cost less anyway! But I hate announcing what I'm making. It's chef's choice and I usually make up my mind about 30 minutes before breakfast. I keep enough around that I can balance that.

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Hey, plain omelets cost less anyway! But I hate announcing what I'm making. It's chef's choice and I usually make up my mind about 30 minutes before breakfast. I keep enough around that I can balance that.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one that waits until the last minute to decide! laugh

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Absolutely, sometimes it's just a few minutes before I have to serve. Unless we are making a baked dish. And of course, toss in what the farmer gives me in the CSA and I can't plan too far in advance. I keep staples around so I can work with them. 

I do offer the option to decide what's for breakfast. It's $50. No one has ever decided to pay it. I figure $50 covers my costs of running to the supermarket at 7AM for things that may not be in season.

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I do offer the option to decide what's for breakfast. It's $50. No one has ever decided to pay it. I figure $50 covers my costs of running to the supermarket at 7AM for things that may not be in season.

 

LOL, love this. 

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Chef's Choice is the only way when you are making specialties. We do the same thing with dinner when it is on offer. Folks actually are excited to find out what they are going to be served.

If I ever opened a restaurant- AND I won't because it's the fastest way to go broke- that is the kind of place it would be

YOU TRUST ME TO GIVE YOU GOOD FOOD- YOU EAT- EVERYONE GOES HOME HAPPY

 

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Chef's Choice is the only way when you are making specialties. We do the same thing with dinner when it is on offer. Folks actually are excited to find out what they are going to be served.

If I ever opened a restaurant- AND I won't because it's the fastest way to go broke- that is the kind of place it would be

YOU TRUST ME TO GIVE YOU GOOD FOOD- YOU EAT- EVERYONE GOES HOME HAPPY

 

This reminds me of a famous restaurant in PDX where there is one sitting. Everyone eats at a communal table, eats each course together (6 courses, no choices of menu). If you cancel within 24 hours of your reservation, your card is charged $75 (the price of the meal for 1). They change the menu once a week and there are NO substitutions. $110 per person not including tip if you want the wine parings.

"Substitutions

Our general rule is that we do not offer substitutions. Because we have a small kitchen and a set menu, we don't have the staff and resources to tailor each course to individual dining restrictions. Pescatarians, vegetarians, and vegans would find it a challenge to enjoy our six-course dinners. We are able to make an exception for allergies only if the ingredient in question is something that we can easily leave out of a dish, such as nuts or bread"

I really want to go there some day.

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I LOVE IT!

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I also decide the night before or in the morning depending on what is my schedule, the time they want breakfast, ingredients on hand, and my mood. WAS going to do the egg bake this morning but changed my mind - made cornbread and garlic chive and sour cream scrambled eggs.

I may make the crock pot cereal for tomorrow. Then I can sleep in!

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Yes

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Grrr...I broke my own rule a couple days ago. My rule is that when asked what's for breakfast, I tell them I don't know yet. And I really don't! I'm one of those that chooses late at night or early morning what I'm going to do.

Well, this was a rare day I did know what I was going to do, so I told them. All of a sudden I'm being asked to do it this way or that way or whatever. They made a big stink of it. I ended up doing it the same as I always do and they ate and loved everything.

I am convinced that when you tell them, it only creates problems.

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I am convinced that when you tell them, it only creates problems.

We used to Post the menu every day. Then, after 8 years, we stopped. The 'I can't eat that' comments plummeted.

What was worse was NO ONE said it at check in. They all, to a man, waited until they sat down and everything was prepped!

One no cheese went to the guest fridge and pulled out those cheese sticks you put in a kid's lunch box and ate it with the eggs.

Hear that? It's my head hitting the keyboard!

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Perhaps they just don't like cheese.  Or, like me they are currently trying to lose weight, I just gave up all cheese although I LOVE IT. We currently have a wedding party in the whole weekend and at breakfast this morning one couple didn't eat a single bite of their potato and leek frittata.  The reason -- we both hate cheese and it had asiago on top.  However, he didn't eat anything else on the plate but drank coffee and his Red Bull so whatever.

We NOW only ask guests if there is anything they are allergic to - when we used to ask if there was anything the didn't like, the list was endless and I had a hard time making any of my recipes.  But this morning even though I was told the only allergies for the wedding party was nuts, my husband came back in with a plate asking me to re-plate another one without watermelon as the lady was allergic.  When he asked the group again if anyone else had allergies she said she was also allergic to bananas.  Not sure if allergies or she was just adding stuff she didn't like but I'd rather know today rather than tomorrow during service.

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Some of them had been here many times and this was the first time the husband had turned down anything.

Peeve? One of them had cheese sticks in the fridge! And ate them with the omelet!

Don't give up cheese to lose weight! Whole dairy, in moderation, is good for weight loss. It's why moms saved milk till after dinner... It fills you up.

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