It's official! Common Sense is DEAD!

[Generic]

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later..

An EXCELLENT idea...thanks. Same in the laundry. I also requested access panels for plumbing and extra shut offs so if work had to be done only the hall affected would be shut off, not the whole building.
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And has them to use "full port" valves (a handle that turns 90 degrees to shut off the valve. Much quicker. I also like to use "FloodSafe" connectors.

 

[Copperhead]

So very sorry for the damage! These are INCONSIDERATE and SELFISH guests. It had nothing to do about not wanting to bother you late at night and everything about not wanting to disrupt their time in the room.

For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

 

[Copperhead]

Sorry....

dumitru, Sunshine did not mention the guests country or origin. Believe me when I tell you that INCONSIDERATE and SELFISHNESS has no country boundaries, these traits as well as others are world wide.
While this may have been a joke to you it is not funny to others.

 

[JBloggs]

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later..

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later.

and yet in Australia that is mandatory, I wish it was here. Especially for swabbing the decks! haha

 

[Generic]

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later..

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later.

and yet in Australia that is mandatory, I wish it was here. Especially for swabbing the decks! haha
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You should see how they wash floors in some countries. Nothing better than a squeegee for floors.

 

[Arks]

So very sorry for the damage! These are INCONSIDERATE and SELFISH guests. It had nothing to do about not wanting to bother you late at night and everything about not wanting to disrupt their time in the room.

For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage..

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

I can only say that if YOUR plumbing sprang a leak and damaged YOUR ceiling, and I didn't cause it, that's YOUR problem. You would get nothing more than sympathy from me. I'd be really sorry about the damage, but I wouldn't be paying to repair your ceiling.
In my opinion, if you try to charge for this all you get out if it is a horrible TA review that most readers will agree that you deserve. Consider it a leak that happened when the room was empty, and pay for your own repairs.

 

[white pine]

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later..

An EXCELLENT idea...thanks. Same in the laundry. I also requested access panels for plumbing and extra shut offs so if work had to be done only the hall affected would be shut off, not the whole building.
.

And has them to use "full port" valves (a handle that turns 90 degrees to shut off the valve. Much quicker. I also like to use "FloodSafe" connectors.
.

Yes, that is what we have. Also, because of leaks the first year, I had all the toilet shut-offs replaced. Good to turn all the shut-offs off and back on (while you have no guests and a plumber nearby) to make sure all are working properly...a real disaster when they don't. I learned this the hard way after one 4th of July with a leak in the laundry!

 

[Copperhead]

So very sorry for the damage! These are INCONSIDERATE and SELFISH guests. It had nothing to do about not wanting to bother you late at night and everything about not wanting to disrupt their time in the room.

For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage..

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

I can only say that if YOUR plumbing sprang a leak and damaged YOUR ceiling, and I didn't cause it, that's YOUR problem. You would get nothing more than sympathy from me. I'd be really sorry about the damage, but I wouldn't be paying to repair your ceiling.
In my opinion, if you try to charge for this all you get out if it is a horrible TA review that most readers will agree that you deserve. Consider it a leak that happened when the room was empty, and pay for your own repairs.
.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

I can only say that if YOUR plumbing sprang a leak and damaged YOUR ceiling, and I didn't cause it, that's YOUR problem. You would get nothing more than sympathy from me. I'd be really sorry about the damage, but I wouldn't be paying to repair your ceiling.
In my opinion, if you try to charge for this all you get out if it is a horrible TA review that most readers will agree that you deserve. Consider it a leak that happened when the room was empty, and pay for your own repairs.

MY statement was in response to your statement regarding REPORTING the damage, not paying for the damage.
"Arks wrote:For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area."

 

[Sunshine]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh....

 

[Joey Camb]

We are currently renovating one floor of the house. The builder wanted to know why I want a drain in the middle of the bathroom floor. And now... you know why. All new bathrooms should have an emergency drain. Makes life so much easier and once you are doing the renovation, you might as well install it.
People don't seem to have any common sense any more. They don't want to tell you that they broke something for fear you will make them pay for it. But somehow don't come to the realization that you might make them pay for it later..

An EXCELLENT idea...thanks. Same in the laundry. I also requested access panels for plumbing and extra shut offs so if work had to be done only the hall affected would be shut off, not the whole building.
.

And has them to use "full port" valves (a handle that turns 90 degrees to shut off the valve. Much quicker. I also like to use "FloodSafe" connectors.
.

Yes, that is what we have. Also, because of leaks the first year, I had all the toilet shut-offs replaced. Good to turn all the shut-offs off and back on (while you have no guests and a plumber nearby) to make sure all are working properly...a real disaster when they don't. I learned this the hard way after one 4th of July with a leak in the laundry!
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we put in shut offs whenever we do anything - isolation valves on each section ie sink, toilet shower so they can be cut off individually as well as a but valve that does the whole bathroom in one go - means if one thing needs changing ie a tap I can do it quickly and easily without affecting any other rooms,

 

[Arks]

So very sorry for the damage! These are INCONSIDERATE and SELFISH guests. It had nothing to do about not wanting to bother you late at night and everything about not wanting to disrupt their time in the room.

For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage..

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

I can only say that if YOUR plumbing sprang a leak and damaged YOUR ceiling, and I didn't cause it, that's YOUR problem. You would get nothing more than sympathy from me. I'd be really sorry about the damage, but I wouldn't be paying to repair your ceiling.
In my opinion, if you try to charge for this all you get out if it is a horrible TA review that most readers will agree that you deserve. Consider it a leak that happened when the room was empty, and pay for your own repairs.
.

When it comes to plumbing or electrical issues there is no 'gray area'! Both can cause (as is the case here) lots of damage.

I can only say that if YOUR plumbing sprang a leak and damaged YOUR ceiling, and I didn't cause it, that's YOUR problem. You would get nothing more than sympathy from me. I'd be really sorry about the damage, but I wouldn't be paying to repair your ceiling.
In my opinion, if you try to charge for this all you get out if it is a horrible TA review that most readers will agree that you deserve. Consider it a leak that happened when the room was empty, and pay for your own repairs.

MY statement was in response to your statement regarding REPORTING the damage, not paying for the damage.
"Arks wrote:For a leak that big yes, they should have reported it to you. But I wouldn't bill them unless they CAUSED the leak. To report or not is kind of a gray area."
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MY statement was in response to your statement regarding REPORTING the damage, not paying for the damage.

Ah, very good! Yes they should report it. The gray area for me is whether they are financially or legally responsible if they don't. I think most agree that while reporting is the right thing to do, they probably can't be held accountable if they don't.

 

[Bommelhoeve]

What to do with a small fire? Can guest close the door and when they leave tell the owner there is a small and contained fire in the bathroom?
I think you should be accountable to report it!

 

[Arks]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something....

Ah, you've had Arkansas-sized guests! I'm convinced that our country's whole system of making things is going to have to be beefed up because of the size of the current crop of citizens. When I was a kid, there was one really fat kid in our whole school system, and of course he was teased something awful (but not by me!). Now there are dozens of kids that big in every class! And they generally stay that big, or bigger, for life.
Seating will need to be made wider and stronger. Elevators will have to have lower the numbers for maximum persons allowed. Most drug dosages are based on an average human adult weight of 70 kg (about 150 pounds) and that's WAY behind the times. Same with airlines. They have always used an "average weight times number of passengers" to calculate takeoff weight of the plane. My pilot friends tell me they are currently raising the averages they use by quite a bit.
So, just as cambs adds shutoffs each time she does a plumbing repair, we should all think of ways to put in heavier duty equipment when we replace something.

 

[Joey Camb]

What to do with a small fire? Can guest close the door and when they leave tell the owner there is a small and contained fire in the bathroom?
I think you should be accountable to report it!.

I don't know about legally - but its ruddy common sense!!!!

 

[JBloggs]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something....

Ah, you've had Arkansas-sized guests! I'm convinced that our country's whole system of making things is going to have to be beefed up because of the size of the current crop of citizens. When I was a kid, there was one really fat kid in our whole school system, and of course he was teased something awful (but not by me!). Now there are dozens of kids that big in every class! And they generally stay that big, or bigger, for life.
Seating will need to be made wider and stronger. Elevators will have to have lower the numbers for maximum persons allowed. Most drug dosages are based on an average human adult weight of 70 kg (about 150 pounds) and that's WAY behind the times. Same with airlines. They have always used an "average weight times number of passengers" to calculate takeoff weight of the plane. My pilot friends tell me they are currently raising the averages they use by quite a bit.
So, just as cambs adds shutoffs each time she does a plumbing repair, we should all think of ways to put in heavier duty equipment when we replace something.
.

We were told by a guest how unsafe our outside stairs were to her room. Yes, the rest of the story was she was obese and going up and down the stairs with her obese husband and daughter she was visiting here at college.
They were never built for a stampede. In fact, were not built properly for the wave of the future, as you noted. We are going to have to take them down and rebuild.
Note - correlation to your comment Arks and why we feel this will occur again - this is a room with a KING BED. So if we have overweight guests they will book this room. In other news, it has a shower stall (again prev owners who didn't have clue). We removed the glass doors on it and put up a shower curtain, so at least they won't injure themselves.
But for a circa 1895 home, the furniture of the area was NOT built for larger people. Tall nor wide. People were smaller in those days, and so we cannot have circa 1895 furniture for the most part.

 

[white pine]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

Just found a toilet seal that is silicon with wax...it "gives" but still maintains a tight seal...going to use that on our new baths, and any toilets we have to reseat. Big guests always seem to smash the seals...

 

[white pine]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something....

Ah, you've had Arkansas-sized guests! I'm convinced that our country's whole system of making things is going to have to be beefed up because of the size of the current crop of citizens. When I was a kid, there was one really fat kid in our whole school system, and of course he was teased something awful (but not by me!). Now there are dozens of kids that big in every class! And they generally stay that big, or bigger, for life.
Seating will need to be made wider and stronger. Elevators will have to have lower the numbers for maximum persons allowed. Most drug dosages are based on an average human adult weight of 70 kg (about 150 pounds) and that's WAY behind the times. Same with airlines. They have always used an "average weight times number of passengers" to calculate takeoff weight of the plane. My pilot friends tell me they are currently raising the averages they use by quite a bit.
So, just as cambs adds shutoffs each time she does a plumbing repair, we should all think of ways to put in heavier duty equipment when we replace something.
.

We were told by a guest how unsafe our outside stairs were to her room. Yes, the rest of the story was she was obese and going up and down the stairs with her obese husband and daughter she was visiting here at college.
They were never built for a stampede. In fact, were not built properly for the wave of the future, as you noted. We are going to have to take them down and rebuild.
Note - correlation to your comment Arks and why we feel this will occur again - this is a room with a KING BED. So if we have overweight guests they will book this room. In other news, it has a shower stall (again prev owners who didn't have clue). We removed the glass doors on it and put up a shower curtain, so at least they won't injure themselves.
But for a circa 1895 home, the furniture of the area was NOT built for larger people. Tall nor wide. People were smaller in those days, and so we cannot have circa 1895 furniture for the most part.
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I have taken to looking at the weight rating for chairs when I purchase them after having a guest crack a patio chair. Most seem to be rated 250lbs....that USED to be a big person......

 

[Aussie Innkeeper]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something....

Ah, you've had Arkansas-sized guests! I'm convinced that our country's whole system of making things is going to have to be beefed up because of the size of the current crop of citizens. When I was a kid, there was one really fat kid in our whole school system, and of course he was teased something awful (but not by me!). Now there are dozens of kids that big in every class! And they generally stay that big, or bigger, for life.
Seating will need to be made wider and stronger. Elevators will have to have lower the numbers for maximum persons allowed. Most drug dosages are based on an average human adult weight of 70 kg (about 150 pounds) and that's WAY behind the times. Same with airlines. They have always used an "average weight times number of passengers" to calculate takeoff weight of the plane. My pilot friends tell me they are currently raising the averages they use by quite a bit.
So, just as cambs adds shutoffs each time she does a plumbing repair, we should all think of ways to put in heavier duty equipment when we replace something.
.

We were told by a guest how unsafe our outside stairs were to her room. Yes, the rest of the story was she was obese and going up and down the stairs with her obese husband and daughter she was visiting here at college.
They were never built for a stampede. In fact, were not built properly for the wave of the future, as you noted. We are going to have to take them down and rebuild.
Note - correlation to your comment Arks and why we feel this will occur again - this is a room with a KING BED. So if we have overweight guests they will book this room. In other news, it has a shower stall (again prev owners who didn't have clue). We removed the glass doors on it and put up a shower curtain, so at least they won't injure themselves.
But for a circa 1895 home, the furniture of the area was NOT built for larger people. Tall nor wide. People were smaller in those days, and so we cannot have circa 1895 furniture for the most part.
.

I have taken to looking at the weight rating for chairs when I purchase them after having a guest crack a patio chair. Most seem to be rated 250lbs....that USED to be a big person......
.

I have taken to looking at the weight rating for chairs when I purchase them after having a guest crack a patio chair. Most seem to be rated 250lbs....that USED to be a big person......

So, this just leads me to the question - what IS our responsibility as far as accommodating larger guests? I mean, we can't anticipate or plan for every situation. If someone is exceptionally large, are we expected to take special action and make special arrangements for them? For example - We have two hot tubs and if the water is at the correct depth (in order to flow into the filter properly) and two bigger guests get in, they inevitably over-flow the thing!!

 

[JBloggs]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

Just found a toilet seal that is silicon with wax...it "gives" but still maintains a tight seal...going to use that on our new baths, and any toilets we have to reseat. Big guests always seem to smash the seals...
.

Just found a toilet seal that is silicon with wax...it "gives" but still maintains a tight seal...going to use that on our new baths, and any toilets we have to reseat. Big guests always seem to smash the seals...

If the TP is an arms length or something then people will rock on the seats to reach it. or doing "other things" with the TP. It is inevitable.

 

[JBloggs]

No, we are not going to bill them for the damage, and we didn't plan to. It is something we (Innkeepers) just do when it comes to these kind of things. But none the less... its VERY frustrating when they don't say anything till their walking out the door.

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something, anyway, the wax ring also needed replaced! That toilet was just put in 2 years ago! The ring wouldn't have gone bad on its own that quickly! sigh.....

While making the repairs, we discovered that the toilet bolts had been loosened and the toilet had been 'rocked' or something....

Ah, you've had Arkansas-sized guests! I'm convinced that our country's whole system of making things is going to have to be beefed up because of the size of the current crop of citizens. When I was a kid, there was one really fat kid in our whole school system, and of course he was teased something awful (but not by me!). Now there are dozens of kids that big in every class! And they generally stay that big, or bigger, for life.
Seating will need to be made wider and stronger. Elevators will have to have lower the numbers for maximum persons allowed. Most drug dosages are based on an average human adult weight of 70 kg (about 150 pounds) and that's WAY behind the times. Same with airlines. They have always used an "average weight times number of passengers" to calculate takeoff weight of the plane. My pilot friends tell me they are currently raising the averages they use by quite a bit.
So, just as cambs adds shutoffs each time she does a plumbing repair, we should all think of ways to put in heavier duty equipment when we replace something.
.

We were told by a guest how unsafe our outside stairs were to her room. Yes, the rest of the story was she was obese and going up and down the stairs with her obese husband and daughter she was visiting here at college.
They were never built for a stampede. In fact, were not built properly for the wave of the future, as you noted. We are going to have to take them down and rebuild.
Note - correlation to your comment Arks and why we feel this will occur again - this is a room with a KING BED. So if we have overweight guests they will book this room. In other news, it has a shower stall (again prev owners who didn't have clue). We removed the glass doors on it and put up a shower curtain, so at least they won't injure themselves.
But for a circa 1895 home, the furniture of the area was NOT built for larger people. Tall nor wide. People were smaller in those days, and so we cannot have circa 1895 furniture for the most part.
.

I have taken to looking at the weight rating for chairs when I purchase them after having a guest crack a patio chair. Most seem to be rated 250lbs....that USED to be a big person......
.

I have taken to looking at the weight rating for chairs when I purchase them after having a guest crack a patio chair. Most seem to be rated 250lbs....that USED to be a big person......

I am not seeing the 250lbs on stuff. I am seeing 200-220 mostly. My husband is lean, but mean. Muscle weighs more than fat. Last year he bought a bicycle and had to return it as it couldn't handle his weight. It was a nice bike too!
So they may say rated to 250lbs bit are they really? He still hasn't bought a new one, wants to build one, yeah inhis spare time, haha