OOOH someone is in a bad mood
QUOTE Have you had experiences like this, and what is your take on it?
and I gave my response. I didn't know we had bulletin board police.
Well now you know.agoodman said:and I gave my response. I didn't know we had bulletin board police
Whine away. I think it's still legal.So, essentially, just shut up and quit whining? Can't we have a conversation here without being scolded every time you log on?It's not whether it's LEGIT OR NOT, a person has the right to change their mind and based on the cancellation policy which YOU decide, they absolutely 100% have the right to cancel. If you don't want to have this situation, make every reservation 100% payable on reservation with 100% cancel fee. Not very friendly but it's your choice on the policy and the guests choice whether they want to book or not. But as long as our policy allows it I don't see why we even question the fact that a guest can cancel. And no we should not even ask WHY - it's their prerogative. Until anyone here can say they have never changed their mind on anything I can't see the issue here, have you NEVER taken anything back to a store???.
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Alibi do you feel better now after making that statement? The person asked a question, I answered it.OOOH someone is in a bad mood
QUOTE Have you had experiences like this, and what is your take on it?
and I gave my response. I didn't know we had bulletin board police.Well now you know.agoodman said:and I gave my response. I didn't know we had bulletin board police
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maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.Eric Arthur Blair said:To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.
To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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.I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.Eric Arthur Blair said:To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.
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Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
From my bil, the statistician:So what is ε in statistics? I know it's a very small number, but do you know the exact number? (Smarty pants!)You are gong to HATE my answer... but why does there have to be a reason. I know that our minds wants an answer to each question but sometimes there just isn't an answer. Why is the GOlden Gate bridge painted orange? Why is pi = 3.15149....? What is a question with no answer called? Why are TV sets called sets when there isn't really a set, just one?
Just be happy they called so quickly so that you could get it back in inventory for someone else.
If they booked somewhere else cheaper, then that's out of inventory and less of a competition to you. If they booked somewhere else because it suited them better, then be happy that they are happy and you get to meet people who want to stay with you. Maybe they couldn't get tickets to the event they wanted. Maybe their planned vacation days weren't approved. Maybe airfare changed. Maybe they realized that they had a wedding that weekend. It doesn't really matter in the end. But good that they called and it's open and waiting for someone wonderful to come your way..Ooh, ooh, ooh! I know this! Pick me! Pick me!Eric Arthur Blair said:. . . Why is pi = 3.15149....? . . .
Ahem, because the relationship between a circle's circumference and it's diameter is a constant, regardless of the size of either.
You're welcome.
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To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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.I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.Eric Arthur Blair said:To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.
.Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
I can be extremely shy and private. (It's odd, because many people will tell you that I'm outgoing, but I won't even order a pizza on the telephone).
You would have lost me a long time before you could have called back.... I wouldn't have given you my name or phone number unless I was booking. I would have done what most people do, I would have told you that I wasn't sure and I would call back, and if you called me, I would have never booked with you, assuming that you were extremely rude to call me back.
So, I assume that they found something that suited them better. If they say they will call back I tell them that they can book on the website directly with $10 off. I know they won't call me back. They almost never do.
And no, I would NEVER call someone back based on their caller-ID either.
I wonder if this is just cultural, though. I mean we have US guests who often ask personal questions like relationships... (are you brothers?) a question that would shock most Canadians as just too personal.
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I'm the same way, right down to the pizza-ordering. I don't think I'm Canadian.Eric Arthur Blair said:Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
I can be extremely shy and private. (It's odd, because many people will tell you that I'm outgoing, but I won't even order a pizza on the telephone).
You would have lost me a long time before you could have called back.... I wouldn't have given you my name or phone number unless I was booking. I would have done what most people do, I would have told you that I wasn't sure and I would call back, and if you called me, I would have never booked with you, assuming that you were extremely rude to call me back.
So, I assume that they found something that suited them better. If they say they will call back I tell them that they can book on the website directly with $10 off. I know they won't call me back. They almost never do.
And no, I would NEVER call someone back based on their caller-ID either.
I wonder if this is just cultural, though. I mean we have US guests who often ask personal questions like relationships... (are you brothers?) a question that would shock most Canadians as just too personal.
in the UK it is the norm to make an excuse i wouldn't call them back especially with the compeition here id be waisting my time as they have probably found something cheaper. however in my town if it is cheaper than me (the majority of the places prices are the same as mine within a few dollars or higher) then it is an awful place and that is the reason it is cheaper. the standards are high here and then there are about 6 places that are awful if you get one that is a lot cheaper then there is a reason for it! im always trying to train people you get what you pay for! mind you i always think those particular places train people to book properly from now on lolTo lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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.I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.Eric Arthur Blair said:To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.
.Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
I can be extremely shy and private. (It's odd, because many people will tell you that I'm outgoing, but I won't even order a pizza on the telephone).
You would have lost me a long time before you could have called back.... I wouldn't have given you my name or phone number unless I was booking. I would have done what most people do, I would have told you that I wasn't sure and I would call back, and if you called me, I would have never booked with you, assuming that you were extremely rude to call me back.
So, I assume that they found something that suited them better. If they say they will call back I tell them that they can book on the website directly with $10 off. I know they won't call me back. They almost never do.
And no, I would NEVER call someone back based on their caller-ID either.
I wonder if this is just cultural, though. I mean we have US guests who often ask personal questions like relationships... (are you brothers?) a question that would shock most Canadians as just too personal.
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To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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.I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.Eric Arthur Blair said:To lose, nothing. But most people are too shy or are afraid of hurting your feelings. How many people call you on the phone and tell you that they will get back to you... and never do? I just tell them to book online, they don't have to make fake excuses to a browser.
.Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
I can be extremely shy and private. (It's odd, because many people will tell you that I'm outgoing, but I won't even order a pizza on the telephone).
You would have lost me a long time before you could have called back.... I wouldn't have given you my name or phone number unless I was booking. I would have done what most people do, I would have told you that I wasn't sure and I would call back, and if you called me, I would have never booked with you, assuming that you were extremely rude to call me back.
So, I assume that they found something that suited them better. If they say they will call back I tell them that they can book on the website directly with $10 off. I know they won't call me back. They almost never do.
And no, I would NEVER call someone back based on their caller-ID either.
I wonder if this is just cultural, though. I mean we have US guests who often ask personal questions like relationships... (are you brothers?) a question that would shock most Canadians as just too personal.
.I'm the same way, right down to the pizza-ordering. I don't think I'm Canadian.Eric Arthur Blair said:Honest answer....Alibi Ike said:I take names and phone numbers when they say they will get back with me. And then I call them the next day. Most say 'thanks, we made other plans' and that's that. That's the part I'd like to pursue. They have already rejected me, why not find out why. Maybe I can fix it.
I can be extremely shy and private. (It's odd, because many people will tell you that I'm outgoing, but I won't even order a pizza on the telephone).
You would have lost me a long time before you could have called back.... I wouldn't have given you my name or phone number unless I was booking. I would have done what most people do, I would have told you that I wasn't sure and I would call back, and if you called me, I would have never booked with you, assuming that you were extremely rude to call me back.
So, I assume that they found something that suited them better. If they say they will call back I tell them that they can book on the website directly with $10 off. I know they won't call me back. They almost never do.
And no, I would NEVER call someone back based on their caller-ID either.
I wonder if this is just cultural, though. I mean we have US guests who often ask personal questions like relationships... (are you brothers?) a question that would shock most Canadians as just too personal.
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So maybe it's not a Canadian thing.IronGate said:I'm the same way, right down to the pizza-ordering. I don't think I'm Canadian.
The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.Cutlural and regional can be totally different within in each country as well, you know even the old "country mouse vs city mouse"
We have had overseas guests who feel it is okay to ask how much we paid for our place in front of a room full of guests at that, maybe because they live overseas and think it is okay. They also discuss things many Americans won't, but then American discuss things depending on THE PERSON that many others would not.
E, as for asking if you are brothers, I am asked on a daily basis "are those your children?" Why? Because they have darker hair than I do. And yet my father (now white-grey) had very dark brown hair, as does DH's Father in New Zealand. I have had many guests ask these very words to the girls "Where did you get that dark hair?" and we have a PAT ANSWER they reply "God gave it to me." Some people say whatever is on their mind without thinking.
There are a few on the forum who mentioned they DO call people back on missed calls from caller ID. EEEEEEK! I would not appreciate that, in fact I signed up for some website on line and decided it was a crock and had them call three times today, I did not give my name, my phone number or business name, fyi, but they worked hard to find me. GO AWAY MARKETERS!
Within our community we have southerners and northerners. Northerners would ne'er be bold enough to ask about your family and children as southerners would outright, and yet Southerners would ne'r be bold enough to ask about your job, policitcal views or any of that. It is a fine line here, when we have south meets north and west meets east and then toss in some Germans, Brits, Russians into the mix. It makes it all interesting, "Variety is the spice of an innkeepers life!" I stand by that quote! I live by that quote!.
The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.Cutlural and regional can be totally different within in each country as well, you know even the old "country mouse vs city mouse"
We have had overseas guests who feel it is okay to ask how much we paid for our place in front of a room full of guests at that, maybe because they live overseas and think it is okay. They also discuss things many Americans won't, but then American discuss things depending on THE PERSON that many others would not.
E, as for asking if you are brothers, I am asked on a daily basis "are those your children?" Why? Because they have darker hair than I do. And yet my father (now white-grey) had very dark brown hair, as does DH's Father in New Zealand. I have had many guests ask these very words to the girls "Where did you get that dark hair?" and we have a PAT ANSWER they reply "God gave it to me." Some people say whatever is on their mind without thinking.
There are a few on the forum who mentioned they DO call people back on missed calls from caller ID. EEEEEEK! I would not appreciate that, in fact I signed up for some website on line and decided it was a crock and had them call three times today, I did not give my name, my phone number or business name, fyi, but they worked hard to find me. GO AWAY MARKETERS!
Within our community we have southerners and northerners. Northerners would ne'er be bold enough to ask about your family and children as southerners would outright, and yet Southerners would ne'r be bold enough to ask about your job, policitcal views or any of that. It is a fine line here, when we have south meets north and west meets east and then toss in some Germans, Brits, Russians into the mix. It makes it all interesting, "Variety is the spice of an innkeepers life!" I stand by that quote! I live by that quote!.
I honestly dread it, now. I just don't know how to answer it without embarassing them or myself. I know, I shouldn't feel embarassed, it's not my problem, but I still feel embarassed for them.
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"No."Eric Arthur Blair said:The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.
I honestly dread it, now. I just don't know how to answer it without embarassing them or myself. I know, I shouldn't feel embarassed, it's not my problem, but I still feel embarassed for them.
The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.Cutlural and regional can be totally different within in each country as well, you know even the old "country mouse vs city mouse"
We have had overseas guests who feel it is okay to ask how much we paid for our place in front of a room full of guests at that, maybe because they live overseas and think it is okay. They also discuss things many Americans won't, but then American discuss things depending on THE PERSON that many others would not.
E, as for asking if you are brothers, I am asked on a daily basis "are those your children?" Why? Because they have darker hair than I do. And yet my father (now white-grey) had very dark brown hair, as does DH's Father in New Zealand. I have had many guests ask these very words to the girls "Where did you get that dark hair?" and we have a PAT ANSWER they reply "God gave it to me." Some people say whatever is on their mind without thinking.
There are a few on the forum who mentioned they DO call people back on missed calls from caller ID. EEEEEEK! I would not appreciate that, in fact I signed up for some website on line and decided it was a crock and had them call three times today, I did not give my name, my phone number or business name, fyi, but they worked hard to find me. GO AWAY MARKETERS!
Within our community we have southerners and northerners. Northerners would ne'er be bold enough to ask about your family and children as southerners would outright, and yet Southerners would ne'r be bold enough to ask about your job, policitcal views or any of that. It is a fine line here, when we have south meets north and west meets east and then toss in some Germans, Brits, Russians into the mix. It makes it all interesting, "Variety is the spice of an innkeepers life!" I stand by that quote! I live by that quote!.
I honestly dread it, now. I just don't know how to answer it without embarassing them or myself. I know, I shouldn't feel embarassed, it's not my problem, but I still feel embarassed for them.
."No."Eric Arthur Blair said:The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.
I honestly dread it, now. I just don't know how to answer it without embarassing them or myself. I know, I shouldn't feel embarassed, it's not my problem, but I still feel embarassed for them.
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Too easy... because they continue until the point of where I have to spell it out. And frankly, by that time, I want to actually describe sexual positions to them.IronGate said:"No."Eric Arthur Blair said:The brothers thing is almost exclusively from Americans. The Europeans aren't so naive.
I honestly dread it, now. I just don't know how to answer it without embarassing them or myself. I know, I shouldn't feel embarassed, it's not my problem, but I still feel embarassed for them.
I think Eric Blair said it very well.Why wouldn't the guest be honest? What do they have to lose?maybe it's as simple as they found something that they liked better.Especially as newer innkeepers, it is wise to question why. Are they canceling because we make it too easy for them? Is it impacting the way I want to do business? If I had a cancellation fee, would it make a difference? What if I charged a deposit? Are people making reservations and canceling because the "competition" offers something more/less than I do? These are all valid questions to help understand your market and how you fit in to it. It helps you refine your policies.
When I have cancellations now, I don't ask why, and it's because I've asked and answered those questions in the first couple years of business..
do you think that guests will honestly share why they canceled if they are asked about it?
i would just say that i changed my mind.
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